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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #19 - 06/12/14 at 03:24:15
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Here's an ...f5 line in the QID that's similar to the stonewall Dutch.
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. b3 Bb4+ 6. Bd2 Be7 7. Bg2 c6 8. Bc3 d5 9. Ne5 Nfd7 10. Nxd7 Nxd7 11. Nd2 O-O 12. O-O f5
  
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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #18 - 06/09/14 at 11:42:55
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In a hurry to get to work so didn't get a chance to make sure these hadn't been mentioned yet and I think they might offer ...b6 repertoires primarily:

http://chessexpress.stores.yahoo.net/knockoutnimzo.html

http://www.onlinechesslessons.net/2013/03/18/crushing-white-the-nimzo-indian-def...
  
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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #17 - 06/03/14 at 00:49:12
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erasmus_b_dragon wrote on 06/02/14 at 22:47:49:
Also games can start with a nimzo-indian and end up with what Greet ("Play the Queen's Indian") calls the Hybrid System. One way to get there is 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e6 b6 5. Nf3 Ne4. The average rating of the 800 players who have played 5. Nf3 is about 2300.



That's not the Hybrid (which is 4.Nf3 b6 5.Bg5 in the Nimzo move order, or 4.Nc3 Bb4 5.Bg5 in the Queen's Indian) you quoted, but the Dutch Variation of the Nimzo. If that line interests you (it's very effective at club level), then Emm's old Easy Guide to the Nimzo-Indian and his updates on this site should serve you very well. Keep in mind that White usually plays 5.Ne2 or 5.Bd3 rather than 5.Nf3 in the Nimzo move order, but since Greet's recommending a transposition from the Queen's Indian, he avoids these lines.
Unless he chooses 2.e4, White's likely to play the same move against 1.d4 e6 as he does against 1.d4 Nf6, whether it's 2.c4, 2.Nf3, 2.e3, etc. (The Trompowsky is the obvious exception.)
  
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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #16 - 06/02/14 at 22:47:49
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Aziridine wrote on 05/24/14 at 20:30:23:
erasmus_b_dragon wrote on 05/24/14 at 16:01:53:
I don't see why Black could not play for a K side attack in the 03382B302B262B2C274201 when white plays e3 instead of g3.

True, but 4.g3 is the main line and White's most testing move - it's probably what you want to worry about first.


I agree if you come from a strict QID move order (although some white d4 players stick with e3). Black certainly should not assume white will play e3.

But a game can start with 1. d4 e6 and white is not necessarily thinking primarily about QID at that point.

Also games can start with a nimzo-indian and end up with what Greet ("Play the Queen's Indian") calls the Hybrid System. One way to get there is 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e6 b6 5. Nf3 Ne4. The average rating of the 800 players who have played 5. Nf3 is about 2300.









  

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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #15 - 05/24/14 at 20:30:23
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erasmus_b_dragon wrote on 05/24/14 at 16:01:53:
I don't see why Black could not play for a K side attack in the 574053415F47416D506D564053555D5C3203 when white plays e3 instead of g3.

True, but 4.g3 is the main line and White's most testing move - it's probably what you want to worry about first.
  
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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #14 - 05/24/14 at 16:08:08
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erasmus_b_dragon wrote on 05/24/14 at 16:01:53:
Aziridine wrote on 05/19/14 at 23:39:43:
But in the Classical Dutch Black is not afforded the chance to go ...b6/...Bb7, so there's no transposition.


I am wondering if you are not misstating your thoughts here.

he obviously means: when white plays g3
  
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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #13 - 05/24/14 at 16:01:53
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Aziridine wrote on 05/19/14 at 23:39:43:
But in the Classical Dutch Black is not afforded the chance to go ...b6/...Bb7, so there's no transposition.


I am wondering if you are not misstating your thoughts here.

White Agrest, Evgenij 2602
Black Williams, Simon Kim 2427
2004

1. d4 e6 2. c4 f5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Qc2 Bb4 5. e3 b6 6. Bd3 Bb7 7. f3 c5 8. a3
Bxc3+ 9. Qxc3 Nh5 10. Nh3 Qh4+ 11. Nf2 d6 12. dxc5 bxc5 13. b4 Nd7 14. Be2 O-O
15. O-O Rf6 16. Nh3 Rg6 17. Nf4 Rh6 18. Nh3 Rg6 19. Nf4 Nxf4 20. exf4 Rh6 21.
h3 Rg6 22. Kh1 Qg3 23. Rg1 Rh6 24. Rd1 Nf6 25. Qe1 Rxh3+ 26. gxh3 Qxh3+ 27. Kg1
Ng4 28. Qf2 Nxf2 29. Kxf2 e5 30. Rg1 Qh4+ 31. Kf1 g6 32. fxe5 Qh3+ 33. Kf2 Qh2+
34. Rg2 Qxe5 35. Ra2 Re8 36. Rc2 Bxf3 0-1

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But Black doesn't play ...f5 in the Queen's Indian with a kingside attack in mind either: rather it's just a way to keep e4 under control without blocking in the fianchettoed bishop.


I don't see why Black could not play for a K side attack in the QID when white plays e3 instead of g3.
  

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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #12 - 05/20/14 at 09:36:38
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This thing I guess? http://gambitbooks.com/books/A_Rock-Solid_Chess_Opening_Repertoire_for_Black.htm...

The Bb4+ stuff isn't meant to be a bad way to play after e4/d4. Does obviously need you to be very happy playing a French defense.
  
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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #11 - 05/20/14 at 09:28:38
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ErictheRed wrote on 05/20/14 at 01:11:01:
I don't know what books to recommend, but you could also consider some kind of 1...e6 or 1...b6 repertoire, some sort of hybrid between the Keres, English, and Dutch defenses.  There was some new-ish book on this, I think. 

Do you remember the title and the author? Thanks.
  
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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #10 - 05/20/14 at 02:22:57
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Would not be surprised to learn that Quality Chess is working on a 22,000 page doorstopper GM Rep on the NID/QID that covers everything under the sun.

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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #9 - 05/20/14 at 01:11:01
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I don't know what books to recommend, but you could also consider some kind of 1...e6 or 1...b6 repertoire, some sort of hybrid between the Keres, English, and Dutch defenses.  There was some new-ish book on this, I think.
  
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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #8 - 05/19/14 at 23:39:43
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If you're looking for starting points to do your own in-depth research, I'd look at books like Sokolov's on the 4.e3 Nimzo, Vigorito's on 4.Qc2, or Yrjola and Tella's book on the Queen's Indian. On this site, Emms also provides very good coverage of these lines.

erasmus_b_dragon wrote on 05/19/14 at 20:13:20:
I'm kind of reluctant to transpose into a dutch classical with a white B at g2. Maybe a stonewall would be OK in the right circumstances.

The thought occurred to me that 425546544A52547845784355464048492709 players and authors might tend to go for safety (d7-d5) rather than the possibility of a K side attack supported by a b7 bishop. I have noticed that dutch players like to play ...Bb4 after Nc3. Who knows. I am new to 425546544A52547845784355464048492709 and nimzo.

But in the Classical Dutch Black is not afforded the chance to go ...b6/...Bb7, so there's no transposition. But Black doesn't play ...f5 in the Queen's Indian with a kingside attack in mind either: rather it's just a way to keep e4 under control without blocking in the fianchettoed bishop.
  
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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #7 - 05/19/14 at 20:13:20
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MartinC wrote on 05/19/14 at 14:51:51:
Is Dearing all that Dutch flavoured? Not really from my memory. 4 Qc2 d5 instead of things like 3 .. Bb4 4 Qc2 o-o 5 a3 Bxc3+ 6 Qxc3 Ne4 etc for instance, none of the earlyish Ne4 lines in 4 e3 b6 etc.

I don't suppose that the 0F2330362B2C0142010 does turn all that much like a Dutch too often. More often like a stonewall than a classical at times I suppose.
(Or do some of the 4 g3 Bb7 lines with Na6 end up quite Dutch like?)

They're both good books in general mind Smiley


I'm kind of reluctant to transpose into a dutch classical with a white B at g2. Maybe a stonewall would be OK in the right circumstances.

The thought occurred to me that QID players and authors might tend to go for safety (d7-d5) rather than the possibility of a K side attack supported by a b7 bishop. I have noticed that dutch players like to play ...Bb4 after Nc3. Who knows. I am new to QID and nimzo.
  

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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #6 - 05/19/14 at 19:34:35
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I have wanted rep books on this sort of repertoire for years.

A gap in the market I think



I may have to use chessbase/TWIC DB etc. to create my own notebooks. I have never been 100% satisfied with a chess opening book forever (there are always new lines), so I was probably going to do some of that anyway.

The problem with database searches is that the ECO classifications sometimes seem to be based more on initial moves than characteristics of a later position.
  

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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #5 - 05/19/14 at 16:08:36
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Emms' Easy Guide to the Nimzo (1998) may be useful.
IIRC Chris Ward's video for foxyopenings also covered b6 and Ne4 lines.
  

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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #4 - 05/19/14 at 15:36:57
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erasmus_b_dragon wrote on 05/19/14 at 13:00:01:
I have been playing the classical dutch but run into problems. Looking for nimzo/4A5D4E5C425A5C704D704B5D4E4840412F012 ... Bb7 or ...Ba6 coverage which could transpose to good variations (where white does not play g3) of the classical dutch after ...f5 at some point. Also need coverage of nimzo/4A5D4E5C425A5C704D704B5D4E4840412F012 variations in which white plays g3 and Bg2, since I don't want to play ...b6 dutch variations against that.

I assume I would need at least 2 books, one for nimzo and one for 4A5D4E5C425A5C704D704B5D4E4840412F012




Recommendations?



I have wanted rep books on this sort of repertoire for years.

A gap in the market I think
  
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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #3 - 05/19/14 at 14:51:51
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Is Dearing all that Dutch flavoured? Not really from my memory. 4 Qc2 d5 instead of things like 3 .. Bb4 4 Qc2 o-o 5 a3 Bxc3+ 6 Qxc3 Ne4 etc for instance, none of the earlyish Ne4 lines in 4 e3 b6 etc.

Don't think I'd call Greet's QID book very Dutchish either actually, but then I don't suppose that the QID does turn all that much like a Dutch too often. More often like a stonewall than a classical at times I suppose.
(Or do some of the 4 g3 Bb7 lines with Na6 end up quite Dutch like?)

They're both good books in general mind Smiley
  
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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #2 - 05/19/14 at 14:49:16
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Re: Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
Reply #1 - 05/19/14 at 14:40:25
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It sounds like Play the Nimzo by Dearing and Play the Queen's Indian by Greet are what you're after.
  
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Books covering nimzoindian with ...b6/Bb7 and QID
05/19/14 at 13:00:01
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I have been playing the classical dutch but run into problems. Looking for nimzo/QID ... Bb7 or ...Ba6 coverage which could transpose to good variations (where white does not play g3) of the classical dutch after ...f5 at some point. Also need coverage of nimzo/QID variations in which white plays g3 and Bg2, since I don't want to play ...b6 dutch variations against that.

I assume I would need at least 2 books, one for nimzo and one for QID.

Recommendations?
  

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