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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2916 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Tarrasch - Universal with 6..b6 Reply #7 - 05/01/15 at 18:54:42	Post Tools	Print Post
	RdC wrote on 04/30/15 at 23:05:48: It may not be any good, but White has an option of meeting .. c5 by c4. That is an old line, but found tp be pretty harmless in the end, standard universal players always play c3.


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RdC God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 868 Joined: 05/17/08	Re: Tarrasch - Universal with 6..b6 Reply #6 - 04/30/15 at 23:05:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	Keano wrote on 04/30/15 at 13:53:14: playing a ..b6 system why not throw in ...c5 first? It may not be any good, but White has an option of meeting .. c5 by c4. If you try it without .. Be7 having been played, then Black has the idea attributed to Bareev of playing .. g6 and .. Bg7 attacking the weakened e5 pawn. I think in the originally suggested line, that the Adams plan of a c4 punt is a sensible idea against .. b6.


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2916 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Tarrasch - Universal with 6..b6 Reply #5 - 04/30/15 at 13:53:14	Post Tools	Print Post
	playing a ..b6 system why not throw in ...c5 first?


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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4904 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Tarrasch - Universal with 6..b6 Reply #4 - 05/27/14 at 15:51:54	Post Tools	Print Post
	In the dim mists of time (1990s), ECO had it as 10. a3 +=.


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ErictheRed God Member Offline USCF National Master Posts: 2533 Location: USA Joined: 10/02/05	Re: Tarrasch - Universal with 6..b6 Reply #3 - 05/27/14 at 15:35:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	Actually I was thinking that after 10.a3! it's already halway between "plus over equals" and "plus over minus" (how do we make those symbols here?). White had some other alternatives, but at move 19 the computer likes 19.Nd2! with ideas of either 20.b4 or 20.f4 and f4-f5 better than sticking the rooks on c1 and d1. I haven't analyzed the game deeply or anything, but my first impression is that around move 10, White is already better than "normal opening edge for White." It's possible that White has stronger alternatives at move 13 (such as 13.Qc2!? when it won't be chased by the rook) and 17 as well. Possibly the immediate 13.Nb1!? as well. Not a refutation perhaps, but certainly nothing for White to lose sleep over, is it? It looks rather good for the first player.


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Smyslov_Fan YaBB Moderator Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Tarrasch - Universal with 6..b6 Reply #2 - 05/27/14 at 14:53:31	Post Tools	Print Post
	Looking at that game, I don't really see why White should be considered "quite a lot better" by move 20. The culprit for Black's struggles seems to be his 27...Rxc5?! (instead of bxc5). How does white demonstrate a clear edge there, or after 26...c6 instead of 26...c5?


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ErictheRed God Member Offline USCF National Master Posts: 2533 Location: USA Joined: 10/02/05	Re: Tarrasch - Universal with 6..b6 Reply #1 - 05/27/14 at 13:45:18	Post Tools	Print Post
	White seemed quite a lot better after normal moves in this old game: Download game in pgn format Perhaps 7...a5 is too ambitious. But in chess you need to be adaptable, and your opponent can always throw you off of your "universal" plans.


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C03 : Tarrasch - Universal with 6..b6
05/27/14 at 13:17:41

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I stumbled upon an interesting sideline vs. the Universal:

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Nf6 (3...Be7 4.Ngf3 Nf6 5.e5 Nfd7 6.Bd3 b6 transposes) 4.e5 Nfd7 5.Ngf3 Be7 6.Bd3 b6!?

reaching the following position:

6...b6 is very rare, but seems to score nicely. I only found 8 games in my database, with M.Adams playing with white in the only game on GM-level vs. Rivas Pastor.

Black threatens to exchange Bd3 with 7...Ba6, so 7.Qe2 or 7.c4 (as played by Adams) seems forced. After 7.Qe2 black could continue with 7...a5, renewing the threat of an exchange, or play 7...Bb7 with the standard plan of c5, 00, keeping the option Qc8 followed by Ba6 in hand.

It seems that white will not be allowed to get his universal setup, which could be good news for black.

Has anybody more info on this variation, comments or recent high-level games?

« Last Edit: 03/13/17 at 18:41:25 by dom »

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