RdC wrote on 06/29/14 at 11:39:27:



I don't normally play the move order 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5, but reviewing previous games by a recent opponent, the reply 3. e3 seemed very likely.

So the game continued with the plan as recommended.



which an engine assesses as marginally in Black' favour.

4. c4 is possible and objectively best, but is it likely if White is a Colle specialist with limited knowledge of other queen pawn or even king pawn stuff (Panov v Caro)?

Pale Horse, Pale Rider wrote on 06/29/14 at 08:02:13:


As said by Pale Horse, Pale Rider, the choice of answer to 1.d4 should inform the choice. I am often surprised by how little repsect or thought is given to this type of choice by players even up to 2200. As I think John Cox wrote, the key is recognising that they are serious attempts. The Colle in particular can develop into a strong attack aginst the d5 / Nf6 / c5 / e6 kind of set-ups. For me the appropriate, not best, answer is 3..., Bf5 heading for a Slav kind of position.

I'm not surprised one bit that the only people that have a real problem with this thread are Bibs and MNb (due to their personal vendetta against me due to past history on this forum)

Glenn Snow wrote on 06/29/14 at 13:57:54:


It means they have to play logical chess, move by move, rather than mechanically play their system.

Personally I like the reverse Reti against all of that stuff. From left to right on Black's viewpoint, you play Nf6, g6, Bg7, O-O, d6, Nbd7, c5, b6 and Bb7. You then decide where the Queen and Rooks should live. There are several choices.

Anonymous3 wrote on 06/28/14 at 23:56:18:

You thought wrongly. Answering bad questions is not fun, especially if you leave the most important option out: "there is no best response". Like Dfan wrote the good question is

"What move do you play in this situation and why?".

Bibs wrote on 06/28/14 at 22:53:41:


I don't think stricter measures are necessary. It's not like posts take up all space on this board.
I agree though that "the best" is not the right question here, which I indicated in my first post. The thread would be way more helpful to the OP and all other users if the thread topic were "I play the Tarrasch against 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3; what is the most suitable response to the colle" or something like that. Actually adjusting your repertoire choices against the d pawn specials when chosing a system against d4 can be very annoying/time consuming but actually is a vital part of preperation given the fact that the d pawn specials are very common at club level.
So, all in all I think that this thread could be filled with valuable information. But as RoleyPoley said, there is no answer to the original question. It depends which lines you want to reach against other d pawn special and against the d4 mainline ...

Anonymous3 wrote on 06/28/14 at 23:56:18:


Perhaps chess.com may be a better venue for that. 
The site seems to be geared toward discussions of opening theory, more than just repeatedly asked individual whims.
All the overtly low-value, low-level stuff ('what is best at move 3 in lines x,y,z,', 'what should I play in line z?' 'What is best for me as a 1300 who doesn't like moving knights against 1.e4') detracts and distracts from what the site is about.

Member thoughts?