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Re: Anti-Marshall question
Reply #8 - 07/10/14 at 12:44:11
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Apart from 8...Bg4, 8...Bd7 is a common and decent move; in fact, in the similar line with 6.d3 instead of 6.Re1 it is the most common reply.


The closed positions with d3 are all inter-related with the advantages and disadvantages of particular piece configurations only showing up later. The same can also apply to transpositions to the more forcing lines where White plays a later c3 and the d3-d4. Conventional opening theory has the habit of dividing things up into named systems, rather neglecting the transpositional possibilities and that ideas are similar across all of them. The suggested move of 8. .. Bd7 presumably takes you into Steinitz deferred territory, assuming playing Bd7 first and then following up with .. b5 is a known plan.
  
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Re: Anti-Marshall question
Reply #7 - 07/10/14 at 11:43:06
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Basically, the difference between 7...d6 8.a4 and 7...0-0 8.a4 is that Black can, in the first case, defend against the threat of axb5 by moving the bishop somewhere along the h3-c8 diagonal. He could also play ...Bb7, but then White will opt for d3 and the bishop will be inactive on b7.
Apart from 8...Bg4, 8...Bd7 is a common and decent move; in fact, in the similar line with 6.d3 instead of 6.Re1 it is the most common reply.
  
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Re: Anti-Marshall question
Reply #6 - 07/09/14 at 16:39:26
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Another bit from the old book is 14. Qg4 Rb8 15. Be3 bc 16. bc Rb2 17. Qd1 h6 = Zapata-Gi. Garcia, San Salvador 1995 (the same year as Zapata-Van der Sterren).
  
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Re: Anti-Marshall question
Reply #5 - 07/09/14 at 09:48:27
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14.Nd2 allows 14...Bg5 or 15...Bg5, much more logical is 14.Qg3 or 14.Qg4 instead. White can play then 15.Be3 and 16.Nd2 for example. Rf1 and f4 is an idea, too.
  
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Re: Anti-Marshall question
Reply #4 - 07/08/14 at 16:36:54
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Back in the late 20th century, ECO had both 14...Bg5 and 14...Rb8 (as in a game Zapata-Van der Sterren) as leading to equality.
  
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Re: Anti-Marshall question
Reply #3 - 07/08/14 at 10:03:28
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So far as I can tell, Marin doesn't discuss your position after 13.d3 at all.  Nunn-Romanishin, London 1984 continued 13...Nd7 14.Nd2 Bg5! which looks like an immediate equalizer to me:



Overall Black seems absolutely fine the more I look at this, provided he's willing to sac a pawn with ...b5-b4! at the right time.

  
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Re: Anti-Marshall question
Reply #2 - 07/08/14 at 09:04:44
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Yes, the Bg4xf3 line is indeed a line that I fear a bit. The danger for white is, that he remains with the bad bishop after Be7-g5 later on. White should not take on b4 of course in your line:

1.  e4 e5 2.  Nf3 Nc6 3.  Bb5 a6 4.  Ba4 Nf6 5.  O-O b5 6.  Bb3 Be7 7.  Re1 d6 8.  a4 Bg4 9.  c3 O-O 10.  h3 Bxf3 11.  Qxf3 Na5 12.  Ba2 b4 13.  cxb4 Nc6
Some engines actually prefer 12. Bc2 or even 12.Bd1 (a strange move of course) 12...b4 13.d3 with a small advantage for white according to the engines. This does not have to mean anything of course, but I think the position is worth to discuss. What does Marin suggest for black after 13.d3?


  
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Re: Anti-Marshall question
Reply #1 - 07/07/14 at 23:14:52
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It's a move that's been tried a decent amount of times.  Besides transposing to the anti-Marshall lines, Black can play the immediate 8...Bg4.  Supposedly, having weakened the b4-square with 8.a4, Black is justified in giving up his light-squared bishop after 8...Bg4.  Marin paints a pretty rosy picture for Black of this line.

One key idea is the pawn sacrifice

where Black gets control of b4 and d4.  Of course, White is making a lot of pawn moves and Black plays for a lead in development. 

I suspect that White does better with 10.d3, though it doesn't exactly look fearsome, and indeed after some straightforward play like



Black seems to be very comfortable.
  
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Anti-Marshall question
07/07/14 at 14:31:12
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Hi,
after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 b5 6.Bb3 Be7 7.Re1 0-0 is used to play 8.a4 which seems to be the best anti-marshall move in the position.
My question is if 8.a4 is equally interesting after 7....d6 instead of 7...0-0. Or can black equalize here easily?
  
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