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Reply #27 - 08/31/15 at 18:13:29
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AlienOctopus wrote on 08/30/15 at 05:11:07:
The first 200 pages of the book cover variations where Black plays Nf6 and Nc6.

Why is Black equal there? Surely White must have a slight edge


Not after 4 d3 Na5. But as you say...

AlienOctopus wrote on 08/30/15 at 05:11:07:

Frankly, I don't care if it is equal either. It's well known that in practical games people do better having an equal position that they know well vs having a slight advantage in a position they're not as familiar with.


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Reply #26 - 08/30/15 at 05:34:43
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Surely the traditional/mainstream view is that 3. Bc4 Nc6 should be equal in the best-play lines?  In the realm of opening-advocacy books, I'm reminded of Emms vs. Emms. One pays one's money, one takes one's chances.  Something like that.
  
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Reply #25 - 08/30/15 at 05:11:07
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The first 200 pages of the book cover variations where Black plays Nf6 and Nc6.

Why is Black equal there? Surely White must have a slight edge, and I don't 100% trust what computer engines say anymore if one even says it's equal.

Frankly, I don't care if it is equal either. It's well known that in practical games people do better having an equal position that they know well vs having a slight advantage in a position they're not as familiar with. By playing the Vienna we bring the game into positions of our choosing, no more Petroffs, pet lines to the Ruy Lopez, or  Italian games that everyone plays since they were a kid to worry about anymore. I greatly enjoy playing the Vienna, the set-up that Soloviov and Ovetchkin recommend in the book makes perfect sense to me. I finally look forward to facing 1...e5 because of this, and the book is great. It really does have the perfect mixture of text and notation, and the comments are very insightful. This book is a melding of state-of-the-art computer engine analysis and Soloviov and Ovetchkins' lifetimes of chess experience.
  
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Re: The Modern Vienna, by Chess-stars
Reply #24 - 08/30/15 at 04:18:19
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AlienOctopus wrote on 08/29/15 at 18:07:03:
The variation was this: 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.f4 d5 5.exd5 Ng4


But this is meaningless. Everyone agrees that after 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bc4 the best move is 3...Nc6. Black is at least equal there.
  
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Reply #23 - 08/29/15 at 18:07:03
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I just got this book in the mail yesterday, absolutely excellent, I love it. The book contains a good mixture of analysis and textual commentary. It's not one of those books that's just pure algebraic notation, nor is it one where the notation is skimped on in favor of text. The comments point out relevant features of the positions, and are clear and accurate. The book is 428 pages, but also trade paperback sized, so it's easy to hold in your hands and read through. On my copy the text was backwards on the spine, so when on a bookshelf it looks as if the book is upside down. I don't care about that though.

I played a fantastic attacking game against my computer (not set at full strength) using one of their recommended lines this morning. The variation was this: 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.f4 d5 5.exd5 Ng4 here the book comments "Black loses too much time in order to capture the enemy rook on h1 and will come under attack as a result of that" I was initially nervous about this but that's exactly what happened in the game. And further on the comment "What's powerful pawn center more than compensates for the sacrificed exchange", as the game played itself out I found that to be so true. 

I also believe the lines they give are of a very high quality, and that state of the art engines combined with IM Soloviov and GM Ovetschkin's chess knowledge were used. For example, after the above 5...Ng4 Rybka 4 calls the book's recommended move 6.Nf3! a mistake, wanting instead to play Ne4 to protect the f2 square. However, Rybka gradually changes its mind more and more the further you go into the book's variation, and I certainly enjoyed the position I got after this move. So in actually 6.Nf3! seems deserving of the exclam given by the authors and they've used some strong analysis tools for this book.

I'm looking forward to exploring this book more and adopting the Modern Vienna as my primary opening against 1...e5.

I got my copy on sale for $17 from ChessCafe by the way.
  
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Reply #22 - 02/11/15 at 22:08:21
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Anybody bought and study some parts of the book  yet..?
  
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Reply #21 - 12/29/14 at 00:46:11
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fling wrote on 12/28/14 at 16:46:50:
HgMan wrote on 12/28/14 at 13:43:04:
iOS vs. Android? I'm working with the former, and the website says something about the Apple folk returning to work...


I see, I am using Android. Didn't know the titles were released differently on the different platforms. Or is it just because the people at Apple have to approve of everything that is to be used by iOS?

I don't know. Either way, I'm looking forward t seeing the book!
  

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HgMan wrote on 12/28/14 at 13:43:04:
iOS vs. Android? I'm working with the former, and the website says something about the Apple folk returning to work...


I see, I am using Android. Didn't know the titles were released differently on the different platforms. Or is it just because the people at Apple have to approve of everything that is to be used by iOS?
  
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Reply #19 - 12/28/14 at 16:45:40
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Yes, it covers 3 ...f5; the main variation ends in move 11 with a +=.
  
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Reply #18 - 12/28/14 at 16:30:08
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does it cover 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 Bc4 f5 - ?  Smiley
  

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iOS vs. Android? I'm working with the former, and the website says something about the Apple folk returning to work...
  

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Reply #16 - 12/28/14 at 13:30:05
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That is weird. I just decided to buy it, and it worked fine. I can see in the bibliography that they have checked Beating the Open Games, The Petroff, The Open Games for Black, The King's Gambit and Bologan's Black Weapons. In other words, the major works recently. There is no mentioning of Or Cohen's recent book, although I haven't checked it to see the recommendations for Black.
  
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Reply #15 - 12/28/14 at 13:07:11
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fling wrote on 12/28/14 at 09:12:47:
HgMan wrote on 12/27/14 at 19:32:38:


As a quick aside: I'm not seeing this book in Forward Chess. Does availability vary by country?


I can see it both under Chess stars, and Complete list. I still haven't decided on whether to buy it or not...


No, I cannot see either. Even  deleted and reinstalled to check.
  
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Reply #14 - 12/28/14 at 09:12:47
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HgMan wrote on 12/27/14 at 19:32:38:


As a quick aside: I'm not seeing this book in Forward Chess. Does availability vary by country?


I can see it both under Chess stars, and Complete list. I still haven't decided on whether to buy it or not...
  
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Reply #13 - 12/27/14 at 23:31:38
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I received an email from Semko Semkov saying they were simply waiting for the print house to reopen after the holiday.
  

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