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Re: Gambit in the Portisch-Hook Variation
Reply #3 - 08/17/14 at 23:59:00
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Thank you very much! My questions have been answered very quickly.  Smiley

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Obviously I have to update my database.  Wink
And I really don't know why I didn't take the transposition with 9...Ne7 into account. There are indeed a lot of games with this position.

I agree that the immediate 9...c4 looks at least inaccurate.
9...Ne7 transposes to the Eingorn Variation (6...Ne7 7.Qg4 Kf8 8.Bd3 Qa5 9.Bd2 Qa4). I just looked this up in Moskalenko's "The Wonderful Winawer" and had to smile when I read on page 135: "9...c4!? 10.Be2 Qa4 - no games".
  
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Re: Gambit in the Portisch-Hook Variation
Reply #2 - 08/17/14 at 21:19:47
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Rather similar to the known ideas with Nf3, Qf4 etc, which will often end up with this sort of thing if black goes c4 (to prevent dxc5) then Qxc2.

Say (from PTF4, Watson and seemingly Mosalenko too), 9 Qf4 c4!? 10 Nf3 h6 11 Be2 Qxc2. Plenty of similar things and white normally seems to get quite good compensation.

Bd3 does look a slightly odd way to provoke c4, but actually, perhaps it isn't that bad compared to Qf4? The white Q isn't obviously so much better there than on g4 once black plays c4 after all. You'd have to analyse quite carefully.
  
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Re: Gambit in the Portisch-Hook Variation
Reply #1 - 08/17/14 at 21:06:05
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I don't know what kind of database you use, but let me assure you this 9.Bd3 is played in several games already. I've found at least 5 correspondence and 5 OTB chess games where 9.Bd3 was played, not to mention that after 9...Nge7 we have a trasposition to more than other 118 OTB games..
In fact, the novelty seems to be 11.Rc1.. (3 correspondence and 1 OTB games continued with 11.Nf3..., btw).
Anyway, as for the best move after 9.Bd3..., it seems the second player has to develop his pieces as soon as he can, maybe starting with 9...Nc6 (or even 9...Nge7) and then taking the pawn if white is still offering it. I've chosen to show you one correspondence and one OTB games:


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C18: Gambit in the Portisch-Hook Variation
08/17/14 at 14:31:25
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I have tried the Portisch-Hook Variation in an online game for the first time and was surprised on move 9.

After
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Bxc3 6.bxc3 Qa5 7.Bd2 Qa4 8.Qg4 Kf8
my opponent played
9.Bd3!?.
I couldn't find a single game with this move. Well, I took the pawn:
9...c4 10.Be2 Qxc2
but after
11.Rc1!?
I didn't really like my position.
My first idea was to play 11...Qg6, but the more I looked at the position after 12.Qh3 the less I liked it. With Bh5 looming the black Queen might get into trouble.
Black can win a second pawn with 11...Qb2, but White is so far ahead in development that I don't trust it.
I played
11...Qa4 12.Nh3 Ne7 13.0-0 Nbc6,
and I believe something must already have gone wrong up to this point. The King on f8 and the closing of the center with c4 make Black's position very passive. Compared with the MacCutcheon line 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Bb4 5.e5 h6 6.Bd2 Bxc3 7.bxc3 Ne4 8.Qg4 Kf8 9.Bd3 Nxd2 10.Kxd2 c5 11.Nf3 c4 12.Be2 White still has his dark squared Bishop and his King is much safer. He definitely has compensation for the pawn. Just look at Black's rooks!
The game continued
14.Qf4 Na5 15.Ng5 Qe8
and although this looks terrible, I managed to untangle my position step by step within the next moves. Maybe White missed a few stronger possibilities.
I don't want to discuss the middlegame at the moment, because the game is still in progress and it would be unfair to analyze the position here.

However, what about 9.Bd3?
Has anyone played or seen a game with this move?
Is there a better option than playing c4 and taking the pawn on c2?
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