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Re: A Cousin in the Hecht-Reefschlager/Guimard Family
Reply #5 - 08/22/14 at 01:45:03
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Hugh Myers and Allan Savage at least, used to play this way quite often via: 1.e4 Nc6 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.e5

Maybe it's playable but, as mentioned, it seems a lot riskier than the 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nc6 4.e5 version.
  
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Re: A Cousin in the Hecht-Reefschlager/Guimard Family
Reply #4 - 08/19/14 at 12:15:26
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MikeMurray wrote on 08/18/14 at 17:16:17:
1 e4 Nc6, 2 d4 e6, 3 Nf3 d5, 4 Nbd2 reaches a Guimard French via the Nimzovich Defense. 



About 2% of games reaching that position got there via 1. e4 Nc6

From the viewpoint of a 1. e4 player, it might be a useful way of avoiding having to know a great deal about the Nimzowitsch Defence, given that if you play the Tarrasch against the French, the Guimard is common enough to need something against it. There's no guarantee a Nimzo player would handle the position in the same manner as a French player. There was a Melody Amber rapid game where after 4. .. Nf6 5. e5 Aronian punted 5. .. Ng4 against Svidler instead of the "automatic" choice for a French player of Nd7.
  
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Re: A Cousin in the Hecht-Reefschlager/Guimard Family
Reply #3 - 08/18/14 at 17:16:17
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kylemeister wrote on 08/18/14 at 16:34:52:
My first thoughts are that 4. Nd2 doesn't transpose to the Guimard (and hangs a pawn), and 3...e6 looks pretty dubious indeed.


I should know better than to write posts without using a board Sad  My post was sloppy.

1 e4 Nc6, 2 d4 e6, 3 Nf3 d5, 4 Nbd2 reaches a Guimard French via the Nimzovich Defense.  The main lines of the Guimard would be harder to reach via the Advance French.  So, still "cousins" but the ancestry is a bit twisted.


  
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Re: A Cousin in the Hecht-Reefschlager/Guimard Family
Reply #2 - 08/18/14 at 16:34:52
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My first thoughts are that 4. Nd2 doesn't transpose to the Guimard (and hangs a pawn), and 3...e6 looks pretty dubious indeed.
  
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Re: A Cousin in the Hecht-Reefschlager/Guimard Family
Reply #1 - 08/18/14 at 15:47:11
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MikeMurray wrote on 08/18/14 at 15:23:52:
Thoughts, ideas for Black?


Looking down the list of those who have played it, they mostly seem players who don't know that they are supposed to play .. c5, in other words quite a few games from junior events. The computer engines seem to think Black is OK, but it does not appear to have been tested from the white side by anyone particularly good. I would be inclined to think 4. c3 is most flexible, retaining the possible option of Qh5 against f6, but 4. Nf3 is the popular choice.
  
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A Cousin in the Hecht-Reefschlager/Guimard Family
08/18/14 at 15:23:52
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After 1 e4 e6, 2 d4 d5, 3 e5, Black can play 3 ... Nc6.  Now, 4 Nc3 transposes to the Hecht.  But 4 Nf3 gives the line an independent character.  After 4 ... f6, 5 Bd3, the standard plan of 5 ... Qe7, 6 0-0 Bd7 doesn't seem to work as well with White's knight not yet on c3:  7 c3! Qf7, 8 b4.  So, maybe Black should try 5 ... fxe5, 6 Nxe5 Qf6.  And 5 Bb5 has had good results in the few games played by strong players.

If this line is playable, it offers another way for Nimzovich Defense players to handle White's most common evasion after 1 e4 Nc6, 2 Nf3 e6, 3 d4 d5, etc., where 4 Nbd2 reaches the Guimard French.

Thoughts, ideas for Black?
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