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Re: New ChessPub icons
Reply #31 - 02/14/21 at 10:17:50
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 02/14/21 at 09:26:52:
It's easy enough for me to change these, I'll have a look to see what other options there are

Well, I've changed the Tournaments icon, is this better? otherwise I could use it for 'Users Online'?
  
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Re: New ChessPub icons
Reply #30 - 02/14/21 at 09:26:52
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 02/02/21 at 15:04:15:
The icon for "Chess Tournaments" is the same as the one for "Chess and Computers". I would propose for "Chess Tournaments" a bunch of little users, instead of a cursor. And there are two icons for "Users Online" that are the same. An abstract globe is a pretty common symbol for online, maybe one or the other could be a globe.

It's easy enough for me to change these, I'll have a look to see what other options there are. Smiley
  
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Re: New ChessPub icons
Reply #29 - 02/02/21 at 15:04:15
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I'm not suggesting a change at this late stage, but if it ever comes up in a future revamp....

The icon for "Chess Tournaments" is the same as the one for "Chess and Computers". I would propose for "Chess Tournaments" a bunch of little users, instead of a cursor. And there are two icons for "Users Online" that are the same. An abstract globe is a pretty common symbol for online, maybe one or the other could be a globe.
  
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Re: New ChessPub icons
Reply #28 - 09/30/14 at 16:34:03
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Okay, I'll make a 100% constructive proposal, which every reasonable person must find acceptable.

Presently you call 3...Bc5 4.c3 f5 "Delayed Schliemann", although it is a fact that Schliemann's article (1867) recommended these moves, and not 3...f5.

So I propose to call 3...f5 "Jaenisch / Accelerated Schliemann".

If someone googles Spanish and Schliemann, he/she will find it.
  
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Re: New ChessPub icons
Reply #27 - 09/29/14 at 17:36:13
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This was my point - I'm sure Stefan is right about the history, but I'd wager that the vast majority of the chess playing public, at least those that speak English as their primary language, would call 3..f5 the Schliemann. It would be needlessly confusing to change it.
  
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Re: New ChessPub icons
Reply #26 - 09/29/14 at 09:58:11
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 09/29/14 at 09:32:16:
Because it was Schliemann who discovered Troy?


Lol, but if you Google 'Schliemann' and 'chess' you only get articles about 3...f5, so maybe I should leave it as it is. Undecided
  
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Reply #25 - 09/29/14 at 09:32:16
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/26/14 at 10:20:13:
I see, maybe I should make 'Jaenisch' the main name and put 'Schliemann' as an alternative?

Because it was Schliemann who discovered Troy?
  
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Reply #24 - 09/26/14 at 10:20:13
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 09/24/14 at 12:40:00:
It is one of the cases where the Handbuch got it wrong, the flaw spread from the generally reliable source like dandelion on a lawn. Some mistakes are firmly established in chess literature, e.g. should we really rename the Muzio as Polerio Gambit after 500 years? Yet only a minority of authors have attributed 3...f5 to Schliemann.


I see, maybe I should make 'Jaenisch' the main name and put 'Schliemann' as an alternative?

Stefan Buecker wrote on 09/24/14 at 12:40:00:
Englund Gambit: check out the English wikipedia. They even give links to the two articles that I once wrote for ChessCafe. 


Thanks, I've added some analysis to the ChessPub Guide. Smiley
  
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Re: New ChessPub icons
Reply #23 - 09/24/14 at 12:40:00
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/23/14 at 20:33:32:
Stefan Buecker wrote on 09/23/14 at 12:10:01:
By the way: In the Spanish Opening, the line 3...f5 has only one acceptable name: Jaenisch (or Jänisch). It is not the Schliemann Variation, which is 3...Bc5 4.c3 f5.


I didn't know this - I thought 3...Bc5 4 c3 f5 was the Cordel. I'm happy to change this if there is a consensus?

William Cook: The Evolution of the Chess Openings (1906) has the following (p. 20):

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This is the latest novelty in the Lopez Defences. It was invented by Jaenisch, who published an elaborate analysis of the variation in Le Palamede (1847). The Handbuch attributes it to Schliemann (1867), who merely tried a new form of a similar idea (3...Bc5 4.c3 f5). In more recent times it has been prominently brought to the front by Marshall, Trenchard, and L. P. Rees.

It is one of the cases where the Handbuch got it wrong, the flaw spread from the generally reliable source like dandelion on a lawn. Some mistakes are firmly established in chess literature, e.g. should we really rename the Muzio as Polerio Gambit after 500 years? Yet only a minority of authors have attributed 3...f5 to Schliemann. This is not the moment where you want to fight for the right of an opening to be called after a 19th-century theoretician from Germany.

Englund Gambit: check out the English wikipedia. They even give links to the two articles that I once wrote for ChessCafe.

Edit: 3...Bc5 as a whole has been named after Cordel, since he has contributed to its theory. But "Classical Defence" is a common alternative. In UK sources, probably the latter prevails.
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Reply #22 - 09/24/14 at 12:03:08
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Learning the opening names from my fathers Mieses/Dufresne 1934 edition the name of 3... f5 was Jänisch, 3... a6, 4.Ba5 f5 was Schliemann, 3... Bc5 was Cordel.

Later I learned the lack of a consensus.
  

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Re: New ChessPub icons
Reply #21 - 09/23/14 at 21:21:35
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Stefan might be right historically, but regardless, 3...f5 has been referred to as the Schliemann by 99% of the chess playing public for as long as I can remember. It would only be confusing to refer to the Schliemann here as some other line.
  
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Re: New ChessPub icons
Reply #20 - 09/23/14 at 20:33:32
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 09/23/14 at 12:10:01:
He calls the gambit "decidedly dubious", so it seems to me that my refutation (+/-) still stands.


Can I find this refutation somewhere?

Stefan Buecker wrote on 09/23/14 at 12:10:01:
since the general overview has "Sämisch", I'd propose to write "Grünfeld" as well.


Ooops! Embarrassed Good point, I've changed it.

Stefan Buecker wrote on 09/23/14 at 12:10:01:
By the way: In the Spanish Opening, the line 3...f5 has only one acceptable name: Jaenisch (or Jänisch). It is not the Schliemann Variation, which is 3...Bc5 4.c3 f5.


I didn't know this - I thought 3...Bc5 4 c3 f5 was the Cordel. I'm happy to change this if there is a consensus?
  
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Re: New ChessPub icons
Reply #19 - 09/23/14 at 12:10:01
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Well done, James Flear. I like the whole set of icons, it contributes a lot to the modernized design of the site. The new icon is much better than the "DD". 

GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/20/14 at 13:23:40:
Sending both the Albin and Englund to d-Pawn Specials makes sense to me.

Maybe I'll become a subscriber if Richard Palliser can rehabilitate the Englund Gambit. I've seen that Glenn Flear has recently written about it in "Daring Defences." He calls the gambit "decidedly dubious", so it seems to me that my refutation (+/-) still stands.

Forum members are often sloppy and misspell names of openings and variations, but since the general overview has "Sämisch", I'd propose to write "Grünfeld" as well. - By the way: In the Spanish Opening, the line 3...f5 has only one acceptable name: Jaenisch (or Jänisch). It is not the Schliemann Variation, which is 3...Bc5 4.c3 f5.
  
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Re: New ChessPub icons
Reply #18 - 09/22/14 at 21:56:58
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TalJechin wrote on 09/20/14 at 19:57:25:
But I like Kylemeister's suggestion of a black pawn walking a tightrope.


James has sent me a new one, and says:

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here’s a new icon for Daring Defenses done with the forum’s suggestion in mind, which will fit in more with the others.
It’s a bishop 'walking on a tight rope’, I hope the forum like it.
  
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Re: New ChessPub icons
Reply #17 - 09/20/14 at 21:08:16
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TalJechin wrote on 09/20/14 at 19:57:25:
But I like Kylemeister's suggestion of a black pawn walking a tightrope.


Yes, it makes sense.

TalJechin wrote on 09/20/14 at 19:57:25:
Btw, how come the Albin isn't considered a QG the same way that the Falkbeer is a KG?


Yes, I suppose it could/should be, but the 1 d4 d5 section is already so very large.
  
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