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Reply #28 - 09/30/14 at 16:34:03
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Okay, I'll make a 100% constructive proposal, which every reasonable person must find acceptable.

Presently you call 3...Bc5 4.c3 f5 "Delayed Schliemann", although it is a fact that Schliemann's article (1867) recommended these moves, and not 3...f5.

So I propose to call 3...f5 "Jaenisch / Accelerated Schliemann".

If someone googles Spanish and Schliemann, he/she will find it.
  
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Reply #27 - 09/29/14 at 17:36:13
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This was my point - I'm sure Stefan is right about the history, but I'd wager that the vast majority of the chess playing public, at least those that speak English as their primary language, would call 3..f5 the Schliemann. It would be needlessly confusing to change it.
  
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Reply #26 - 09/29/14 at 09:58:11
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 09/29/14 at 09:32:16:
Because it was Schliemann who discovered Troy?


Lol, but if you Google 'Schliemann' and 'chess' you only get articles about 3...f5, so maybe I should leave it as it is. Undecided
  
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Reply #25 - 09/29/14 at 09:32:16
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/26/14 at 10:20:13:
I see, maybe I should make 'Jaenisch' the main name and put 'Schliemann' as an alternative?

Because it was Schliemann who discovered Troy?
  
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Reply #24 - 09/26/14 at 10:20:13
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 09/24/14 at 12:40:00:
It is one of the cases where the Handbuch got it wrong, the flaw spread from the generally reliable source like dandelion on a lawn. Some mistakes are firmly established in chess literature, e.g. should we really rename the Muzio as Polerio Gambit after 500 years? Yet only a minority of authors have attributed 3...f5 to Schliemann.


I see, maybe I should make 'Jaenisch' the main name and put 'Schliemann' as an alternative?

Stefan Buecker wrote on 09/24/14 at 12:40:00:
Englund Gambit: check out the English wikipedia. They even give links to the two articles that I once wrote for ChessCafe. 


Thanks, I've added some analysis to the ChessPub Guide. Smiley
  
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Reply #23 - 09/24/14 at 12:40:00
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/23/14 at 20:33:32:
Stefan Buecker wrote on 09/23/14 at 12:10:01:
By the way: In the Spanish Opening, the line 3...f5 has only one acceptable name: Jaenisch (or Jänisch). It is not the Schliemann Variation, which is 3...Bc5 4.c3 f5.


I didn't know this - I thought 3...Bc5 4 c3 f5 was the Cordel. I'm happy to change this if there is a consensus?

William Cook: The Evolution of the Chess Openings (1906) has the following (p. 20):

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This is the latest novelty in the Lopez Defences. It was invented by Jaenisch, who published an elaborate analysis of the variation in Le Palamede (1847). The Handbuch attributes it to Schliemann (1867), who merely tried a new form of a similar idea (3...Bc5 4.c3 f5). In more recent times it has been prominently brought to the front by Marshall, Trenchard, and L. P. Rees.

It is one of the cases where the Handbuch got it wrong, the flaw spread from the generally reliable source like dandelion on a lawn. Some mistakes are firmly established in chess literature, e.g. should we really rename the Muzio as Polerio Gambit after 500 years? Yet only a minority of authors have attributed 3...f5 to Schliemann. This is not the moment where you want to fight for the right of an opening to be called after a 19th-century theoretician from Germany.

Englund Gambit: check out the English wikipedia. They even give links to the two articles that I once wrote for ChessCafe.

Edit: 3...Bc5 as a whole has been named after Cordel, since he has contributed to its theory. But "Classical Defence" is a common alternative. In UK sources, probably the latter prevails.
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Reply #22 - 09/24/14 at 12:03:08
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Learning the opening names from my fathers Mieses/Dufresne 1934 edition the name of 3... f5 was Jänisch, 3... a6, 4.Ba5 f5 was Schliemann, 3... Bc5 was Cordel.

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Reply #21 - 09/23/14 at 21:21:35
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Stefan might be right historically, but regardless, 3...f5 has been referred to as the Schliemann by 99% of the chess playing public for as long as I can remember. It would only be confusing to refer to the Schliemann here as some other line.
  
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Reply #20 - 09/23/14 at 20:33:32
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 09/23/14 at 12:10:01:
He calls the gambit "decidedly dubious", so it seems to me that my refutation (+/-) still stands.


Can I find this refutation somewhere?

Stefan Buecker wrote on 09/23/14 at 12:10:01:
since the general overview has "Sämisch", I'd propose to write "Grünfeld" as well.


Ooops! Embarrassed Good point, I've changed it.

Stefan Buecker wrote on 09/23/14 at 12:10:01:
By the way: In the Spanish Opening, the line 3...f5 has only one acceptable name: Jaenisch (or Jänisch). It is not the Schliemann Variation, which is 3...Bc5 4.c3 f5.


I didn't know this - I thought 3...Bc5 4 c3 f5 was the Cordel. I'm happy to change this if there is a consensus?
  
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Re: New ChessPub icons
Reply #19 - 09/23/14 at 12:10:01
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Well done, James Flear. I like the whole set of icons, it contributes a lot to the modernized design of the site. The new icon is much better than the "DD". 

GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/20/14 at 13:23:40:
Sending both the Albin and Englund to d-Pawn Specials makes sense to me.

Maybe I'll become a subscriber if Richard Palliser can rehabilitate the Englund Gambit. I've seen that Glenn Flear has recently written about it in "Daring Defences." He calls the gambit "decidedly dubious", so it seems to me that my refutation (+/-) still stands.

Forum members are often sloppy and misspell names of openings and variations, but since the general overview has "Sämisch", I'd propose to write "Grünfeld" as well. - By the way: In the Spanish Opening, the line 3...f5 has only one acceptable name: Jaenisch (or Jänisch). It is not the Schliemann Variation, which is 3...Bc5 4.c3 f5.
  
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Reply #18 - 09/22/14 at 21:56:58
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TalJechin wrote on 09/20/14 at 19:57:25:
But I like Kylemeister's suggestion of a black pawn walking a tightrope.


James has sent me a new one, and says:

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here’s a new icon for Daring Defenses done with the forum’s suggestion in mind, which will fit in more with the others.
It’s a bishop 'walking on a tight rope’, I hope the forum like it.
  
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Reply #17 - 09/20/14 at 21:08:16
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TalJechin wrote on 09/20/14 at 19:57:25:
But I like Kylemeister's suggestion of a black pawn walking a tightrope.


Yes, it makes sense.

TalJechin wrote on 09/20/14 at 19:57:25:
Btw, how come the Albin isn't considered a QG the same way that the Falkbeer is a KG?


Yes, I suppose it could/should be, but the 1 d4 d5 section is already so very large.
  
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Reply #16 - 09/20/14 at 19:57:25
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I don't really see the bat connection to anything.  Undecided

But I like Kylemeister's suggestion of a black pawn walking a tightrope.


Btw, how come the Albin isn't considered a QG the same way that the Falkbeer is a KG?
  
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Reply #15 - 09/20/14 at 13:23:40
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TalJechin wrote on 09/19/14 at 16:40:13:
The Albin Counter Gambit -> QGD
1...b6 and 1...Nc6 -> Flank Openings (to make it easier to compare with 1.b3 & 1.Nc3)
The Englund -> d-pawn Specials


Sending both the Albin and Englund to d-Pawn Specials makes sense to me.

Stefan Buecker wrote on 09/19/14 at 14:20:41:
Nobody else who speaks out for bats? They are so cute...


I've never really though of them as 'cute' myself! I suppose Batman was pretty daring. Anyone else like daring bats? Undecided
  
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Reply #14 - 09/19/14 at 16:40:13
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/18/14 at 18:41:54:
Maybe the simplest idea is to rename 'Daring Defences' (but to what?)! Shocked


Why not rename it "Grunfeld, Dutch, Benko", keep the Blumenfeldt and Budapest there too and send the weirder stuff to other sections?
For example:
The Albin Counter Gambit -> QGD
1...b6 and 1...Nc6 -> Flank Openings (to make it easier to compare with 1.b3 & 1.Nc3)
The Englund -> d-pawn Specials
  
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Reply #13 - 09/19/14 at 14:20:41
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/18/14 at 18:41:54:
Hmm, I agree that the DD one looks a bit out of place compared to the others, but I'm not sure about a bat or a sword. What else epitomizes 'daring'? I thought about the individual openings but the only one with an obvious icon is the Dutch. Undecided

The red-brownish dragon plus the bat in similar colours would break the monotony among all these chess pieces, or so I thought.

Nobody else who speaks out for bats? They are so cute...

The idea to search for symbols closely connected to the names of the openings isn't what you'd want here. It would be better to get ahead of the curve, establish the bat as a neutral, new symbol for a certain kind of openings, and let the forum do the rest.
  
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Reply #12 - 09/18/14 at 19:42:21
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/18/14 at 18:41:54:
What else epitomizes 'daring'?


I think of a tightrope or trapeze.
  
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Reply #11 - 09/18/14 at 18:41:54
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 09/01/14 at 10:07:24:
The "DD" for Daring Defences isn't convincing, however. It is the only icon of the set that uses capitals, an outsider in the set. My proposal would be an icon with a bat hovering over the squares.


TalJechin wrote on 09/01/14 at 14:53:54:
Maybe a black pawn with a feather in his beret? Perhaps also a fencing sword á la Errol Flynn...  Smiley


Hmm, I agree that the DD one looks a bit out of place compared to the others, but I'm not sure about a bat or a sword. What else epitomizes 'daring'? I thought about the individual openings but the only one with an obvious icon is the Dutch. Undecided
Maybe the simplest idea is to rename 'Daring Defences' (but to what?)! Shocked
  
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Reply #10 - 09/02/14 at 06:05:34
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TalJechin wrote on 09/01/14 at 14:53:54:
Maybe a black pawn with a feather in his beret? Perhaps also a fencing sword á la Errol Flynn...  Smiley

I'd hire Mr Flynn rather for a King's Gambit movie than for the black magic of the Englund, Fajarowicz, Owen, Albin, 1.d4 Nc6, which seem to be popular topics in the Daring Defences section.
  
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Reply #9 - 09/01/14 at 14:53:54
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The "DD" for Daring Defences isn't convincing, however. It is the only icon of the set that uses capitals, an outsider in the set. My proposal would be an icon with a bat hovering over the squares.


Maybe a black pawn with a feather in his beret? Perhaps also a fencing sword á la Errol Flynn...  Smiley
  
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Reply #8 - 09/01/14 at 10:07:24
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 08/31/14 at 22:18:15:
Or what about replacing them entirely with chess-related icons? Cheesy
I commissioned a graphics designer specialising in chess (James Flear) to create a whole new set of icons just for the ChessPub forum.
What do the members think?


I love it - congrats to you for the idea and compliments to James Flear for his outstanding design!

The "DD" for Daring Defences isn't convincing, however. It is the only icon of the set that uses capitals, an outsider in the set. My proposal would be an icon with a bat hovering over the squares.

Playing Anti-Sicilians is widely seen as Quixotism. Bent Larsen once argued that d2-d4 cedes the majority in the center to the opponent. But even Larsen gave up 2.f4 and preferred the Open Sicilian in his practice. In an ideal world, the Open Sicilian would be regarded as a refuted, naive concept.

The majority has a positive view of the Open Sicilian, and a negative view of the Anti Sicilians, and this attitude is reflected in the two icons. A "normal" icon for the Anti Sicilian would be better imo.
  
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Reply #7 - 09/01/14 at 09:51:52
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 09/01/14 at 00:16:49:
Btw, is James Flear any relation to Glenn?


Yes, he is Glenn's eldest son! Smiley
  
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Reply #6 - 09/01/14 at 09:22:38
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Pale Horse, Pale Rider wrote on 09/01/14 at 07:47:58:
TonyRo wrote on 09/01/14 at 01:20:34:
Love them!  Grin


Agreed  Cheesy


  
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Reply #5 - 09/01/14 at 07:47:58
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TonyRo wrote on 09/01/14 at 01:20:34:
Love them!  Grin


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Reply #4 - 09/01/14 at 07:45:43
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Smaller please.
  
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Reply #3 - 09/01/14 at 05:09:29
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My one qualm is the image for "anti-sicilians". Ok, having a mafioso image may not be quite kosher. but just as the Spanish has a Spanish coat of arms, maybe the Sicilian Knight could have a Sicilian coat of arms, like this one:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Sicilian_Flag.svg/227px...

  
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Reply #1 - 09/01/14 at 00:16:49
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Wow! I like the new look of the forums! Btw, is James Flear any relation to Glenn?
  
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Bibs wrote on 07/03/14 at 07:50:05:
I suggest reducing the size of the speech bubbles down the left margin. 50%. Huge, currently overpowering. Just bad design.


Or what about replacing them entirely with chess-related icons? Cheesy
I commissioned a graphics designer specialising in chess (James Flear) to create a whole new set of icons just for the ChessPub forum.
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