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Re: Can Black avoid pawn storm lines in KID?
Reply #6 - 09/20/14 at 01:26:02
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Thanks for the input.  I guess I keep coming back to sticking with the Tarrasch Defense.  It has good flexibility against various White openings and I find the middlegame positions interesting in the main lines.  Just that sometimes with early deviations it kind of goes dull.
  
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Re: Can Black avoid pawn storm lines in KID?
Reply #5 - 09/10/14 at 15:09:48
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MartinC wrote on 09/10/14 at 10:52:08:
The stuff with an earlier (pre Nc6) d5 from white tends to play out a bit differently overall.


To expand on that a bit, it can involve non-avalanche kingside play by Black.  Here's an example of that sort of thing against some infelicitous play by White.




  
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Re: Can Black avoid pawn storm lines in KID?
Reply #4 - 09/10/14 at 12:41:38
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zepled37 wrote on 09/10/14 at 02:56:12:
Hi,

I'm considering alternative defenses against 1.d4.  Is it possible for Black to avoid playing all out kingside pawn storm lines with f5, f4, g5, etc?  That is, I'd like to play positions with more flexible / diverse pawn structures and plans.  I'm guessing this can't be guaranteed.


Perhaps you'd prefer playing the Grunfeld?
  
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Re: Can Black avoid pawn storm lines in KID?
Reply #3 - 09/10/14 at 10:52:08
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There are several perfectly viable treatments of the classical which avoid the 'mate or lose' lines that get really famous. Mostly with taking on d4 at some point.

The stuff with an earlier (pre Nc6) d5 from white tends to play out a bit differently overall.

6 .. Bg4 definitely isn't terrible if you like benoni style things. I guess neither is 6 .. c5 but the stuff with 7 d5 and an eventual exd5 from white might be a bit annoying.
  
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Re: Can Black avoid pawn storm lines in KID?
Reply #2 - 09/10/14 at 06:07:10
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zepled37 wrote on 09/10/14 at 02:56:12:
Hi,

I'm considering alternative defenses against 1.d4.  Is it possible for Black to avoid playing all out kingside pawn storm lines with f5, f4, g5, etc?  That is, I'd like to play positions with more flexible / diverse pawn structures and plans.  I'm guessing this can't be guaranteed.

I thought one option might be the exchange lines with exd5.  If White plays an early d5 I suppose this is not possible, but maybe that is the only time?

Thanks.

You can avoid the Kingsindian within the Kingsindian - but the pawn storm lines are what Black usually wants in this opening. It gives him unclear positions with the chance to get the full point. You may have to rethink the pawn structures you like to play and only then choose the opening.
  
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Re: Can Black avoid pawn storm lines in KID?
Reply #1 - 09/10/14 at 04:07:39
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To avoid even 7. d5 in the Classical, there are such possibilities as 6...Bg4 or 6...c5, though they have been generally regarded as enabling White to reach a slight advantage.

Outside of the Classical (that is, against White's other systems), the "avalanche" kingside attack is generally uncommon.
  
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Can Black avoid pawn storm lines in KID?
09/10/14 at 02:56:12
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Hi,

I'm considering alternative defenses against 1.d4.  Is it possible for Black to avoid playing all out kingside pawn storm lines with f5, f4, g5, etc?  That is, I'd like to play positions with more flexible / diverse pawn structures and plans.  I'm guessing this can't be guaranteed.

I thought one option might be the exchange lines with exd5.  If White plays an early d5 I suppose this is not possible, but maybe that is the only time?

Thanks.
  
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