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Re: Negi's repertoire vs the Caro Kann
Reply #16 - 09/10/16 at 11:33:05
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BenkoFan wrote on 02/10/16 at 11:31:00:
Regarding 4...Nd7 line - 5.Ng5 [...]


What I wonder about the 4 ...Nd7 line is that after 10 ...Nf6 11. Qe2 Negi gives only short mention of 11 ...b6, saying it will just transpose to his main line. I am not so sure about this.
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After 12. Ne5 Bb7 13. Bd2 Black can play a waiting game with 13. ...Bc7, not only putting pressure on the d4 pawn but also opening the d-file for the queen to go to d5, speeding up Black's counterplay a great deal. Black will wait for White to castle and castle accordingly. I could not find anything special for White there. The resulting positions seem to fade out quickly to endgames typical for the whole 4 ...Nd7 line.

Of course White can deviate on move 12 or 13, but on move 12 there is no other critical move given by Negi (12. Bd2 can even be met by the same maneouvre) and on move 13 there is no move both as useful and as structurally sound as 13. Bd2, as 13. f4 seems to allow Black sufficient counterplay against the uncastled White king.
I did not find many games where Black used this idea and I wonder why. Instead, Negi's book seems to have put the variation somewhat out of business for Black.
  
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Re: Negi's repertoire vs the Caro Kann
Reply #15 - 02/10/16 at 11:31:00
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Regarding 4...Nd7 line - 5.Ng5 Ndf6!? is another neglected line not so easy to get anything against in over the board play
  
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Re: Negi's repertoire vs the Caro Kann
Reply #14 - 12/23/15 at 10:49:19
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PANFR wrote on 01/03/15 at 18:57:15:
The variation he suggests against the "Queen's Blues" French Winawer gives white no advantage


This is what I used to play way back when just from what I got in the excellent book "How to Open a Chess Game"

Ah, how little theory I could get away with back then. Is this really OK for Black now? If so, I might add the French back into my repertoire.
  

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Reply #13 - 12/23/15 at 00:23:13
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PANFR wrote on 01/03/15 at 18:57:15:
The variation he suggests against the "Queen's Blues" French Winawer gives white no advantage, but since I do not know any way to get an advantage against this damn thing, I guess it's OK...  Roll Eyes
In general the book is excellent.


Wait... How does his line not give an edge for White?
  
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Re: Negi's repertoire vs the Caro Kann
Reply #12 - 09/09/15 at 10:03:01
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MartinC wrote on 09/09/15 at 09:32:13:
My experience playing Short style systems is that I somehow keep getting different sorts of difficult positions that neither me nor my opponents really seem to understand at all http://www.chesspub.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/smiley.gif


That looks like my kind of game  Wink. With the Advance, I have not looked at it at all, which has good (nothing unlearn) and bad points (more to absorb). I was ready to sit down with my Bologan DVD and Dreev book this weekend, but!

When I played the Classical (armed with Khalifmann, but not touched it since 2006, where Jovanka Houska beat me so thematically, she put the game in her book), and so I have some knowledge there and so I am now considering resurrecting it back to my repertoire with a fully operational Negi powered battle station!




  

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Re: Negi's repertoire vs the Caro Kann
Reply #11 - 09/09/15 at 09:32:13
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Not tested the book.

My experience playing Short style systems is that I somehow keep getting different sorts of difficult positions that neither me nor my opponents really seem to understand at all Smiley

Not quite sure how recommended that is Wink Seem to score all right at least.
  
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Re: Negi's repertoire vs the Caro Kann
Reply #10 - 09/09/15 at 09:14:36
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Grrr, I was all set to upgrade my KIA line against the Caro-Kann to the Advance Short system with help from Bologan and Dreev, and now I've got this this book, I'm now thinking of going back to the classical main line  Roll Eyes

Hmm, decisions, decisions. Nice to have choices though.  Cool

A question for those of you who've spent some time with the book and road tested some of it against the Caro-Kann.  What are your thoughts of it now?
  

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Re: Negi's repertoire vs the Caro Kann
Reply #9 - 04/02/15 at 12:30:45
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Here is my recomendation against Negi. Sorry for russian text.
  
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Re: Negi's repertoire vs the Caro Kann
Reply #8 - 03/31/15 at 15:35:43
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Quite a good book. Negi recomends 17. Be3 against the main line. It took a lot of time for me to see the playable position for black here.
  
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Re: Negi's repertoire vs the Caro Kann
Reply #7 - 01/03/15 at 18:57:15
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The variation he suggests against the "Queen's Blues" French Winawer gives white no advantage, but since I do not know any way to get an advantage against this damn thing, I guess it's OK...  Roll Eyes
In general the book is excellent.
  
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Re: Negi's repertoire vs the Caro Kann
Reply #6 - 10/23/14 at 14:03:48
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Negi's book is one that I like more every time I read it.
  
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Re: Negi's repertoire vs the Caro Kann
Reply #5 - 10/23/14 at 12:53:52
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To be honest, I strongly disagree with ¨pretty good¨! Not often that I am so impressed by a book as this. A balance of top drawer theory from a very strong player (not just GM, but a strong GM) with remarkably lucid explanations. Reminds me of Sadler's writing for how he gets to the heart of what is happening, and explains things so well, and does so confidently. Many IMs I read have little (or no) more idea than me about a position, and it is clear from the hedging and the waffling. I have played the French for more years than I care to remember, and at an okayish level (not great, not a duffer) but I learnt plenty here.
If he gives up chess, fair enough, hope to see him in academia. He would be a class lecturer.
  
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Re: Negi's repertoire vs the Caro Kann
Reply #4 - 10/22/14 at 09:11:21
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Got the book, been glancing over it. It seems pretty good from what I've read, and I will be using it to help learn some additional lines for black outside of my normal repertoire, such as 6... e6 instead of 6... Nd7. I will also be looking forward to exploring what he suggests against my usual repertoire.

At one point he asks why black would be interested in going down some tactically dangerous line when he could be getting the same thing playing the sicilian najdorf. That made me laugh because I think the carokann satisfies my tactical side just fine. Plus I like to tell myself its positionally more complicated/subtle with it's themes than the sicilian.
  

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Re: Negi's repertoire vs the Caro Kann
Reply #3 - 10/07/14 at 12:58:41
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 10/06/14 at 09:06:42:
Paddy wrote on 10/05/14 at 13:59:08:
Incidentally, does anyone know why the 4...Nd7 system is known in so many on-line sources as the Steinitz Variation?

Just one of approximately 80 errors in the English wikipedia page on the Caro-Kann. Maybe the flaw was introduced by the same person who contributed the following:
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Specialist knowledge is a must to play this opening. Otherwise Black could fall prey to early attacks such as the quick mating trap for White 5.Qe2 and then 6.Nd6#.

4...Nd7 is named after Nimzowitsch in the old sources, e.g. in Müller's book on the Caro-Kann for which Nimzowitsch wrote the foreword.


Thanks Stefan.

I notice that, disappointingly, even the impressive-looking 2012 book about Nimzowitsch by Skoldager and Nielsen uses "Steinitz Variation" in the openings index, probably perpetrated by the editor for the publishers McFarland & Company in the USA, which, I suspect, is where this particular 'virus' might have originated.
  
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Re: Negi's repertoire vs the Caro Kann
Reply #2 - 10/06/14 at 09:06:42
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Paddy wrote on 10/05/14 at 13:59:08:
Incidentally, does anyone know why the 4...Nd7 system is known in so many on-line sources as the Steinitz Variation?

Just one of approximately 80 errors in the English wikipedia page on the Caro-Kann. Maybe the flaw was introduced by the same person who contributed the following:
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Specialist knowledge is a must to play this opening. Otherwise Black could fall prey to early attacks such as the quick mating trap for White 5.Qe2 and then 6.Nd6#.

4...Nd7 is named after Nimzowitsch in the old sources, e.g. in Müller's book on the Caro-Kann for which Nimzowitsch wrote the foreword.
  
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Re: Negi's repertoire vs the Caro Kann
Reply #1 - 10/06/14 at 07:01:49
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FWIW, Lakdawala calls 4...Nd7 the Smyslov variation. and Varnusz calls it the "Nimzowitsch (Smyslov) Variation".
  
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Negi's repertoire vs the Caro Kann
10/05/14 at 13:59:08
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The new book from Quality Chess,"Grandmaster Repertoire 1 e4 vs the French, Caro Kann and Philidor",  by GM Parimarjan Negi, provides a very challenging white repertoire vs. the Caro Kann, based on main lines via the 3 Nd2 move order. It's challenging both for Black to meet and White to remember, since it's fantastically detailed and contains lots of original analysis, almost matching Khalifman's OFWATA series in those respects. There's a lot of verbal explanation too, and all in all it looks to be a very good opening book indeed for anyone whose repertoire with White or Black overlaps with the contents.

One thing I noticed though: one player who will not be troubled much by the book is 4...Nd7 specialist GM Keith Arkell, whose pet variation against the main line these days, 5 Ng5 Ngf6 6 Bd3 Nb6!?, is dismissed after a few more moves with the comment that "Black may have a  visually solid position, but it poses almost no problems for White, who has the two bishops and good chances to increase his advantage in the middlegame."

That's  never seemed to bother Arkell, who has scored quite well on the Black side of such positions for many years.

Incidentally, does anyone know why the 4...Nd7 system is known in so many on-line sources as the Steinitz Variation? I can't find any reference to Steinitz ever playing it. Nimzowitsch seems to have been the first strong player to try it (1914). In the immediate post-war (WWII) period Flohr was perhaps its most consistent advocate, while Smyslov and Petrosian played it in some notable .games, and more recently Karpov employed it many times. Maybe the fairest is to just to fall in with Gallagher's suggestion in Starting Out: the Caro-Kann and just refer to it as 'the ...Nd7 Caro Kann'.
  
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