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Re: Triangle with Bd6 v. Marin English
Reply #3 - 10/10/14 at 09:08:02
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You could argue that with 6. d4, you have transposed into a closed catalan and circumvented the open catalan (4. ...dxc4, 6....dxc4) as well as the Bb4-e7 and Bb4-xd2 lines, which seem the most bothering to me for white. As a black player, allowing this would seem to me a rather big concession.

Just checked a little bit, maybe Black can capitalize on his move order with 6. ...dxc4 in this particular position where he has ...c6 and ...Nbd7 in to hold on to the c4-pawn. Food for thought...
  
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Re: Triangle with Bd6 v. Marin English
Reply #2 - 10/10/14 at 08:29:43
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Hi TD,
6.Qc2 is an option (although I'm writing this without a board to reference !) but effectively it also does what 6.b3 does and that is "rule" out cd cd , Qa4+ in answer to e5.
  
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Re: Triangle with Bd6 v. Marin English
Reply #1 - 10/08/14 at 15:13:40
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Propably adding to the "problem", but 6.Qc2 is also an option!?
  
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Triangle with Bd6 v. Marin English
10/08/14 at 14:14:12
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Fairly often I'm encountering Black players adopting the set-up e6, d5, c6, Bd6, Nf6, Nbd7 versus the English 1.c4 2.g3. Marin recommends the move order 1.c4 e6 2.g3 d5 3.Bg2 c6 4.Nf3 Bd6 5.0-0, meeting 5...,Nf6 with 6.d4 Nbd7 7.Nc3 0-0 8.Nd2 with e4 taking advantage of the arguably misplaced Bd6. This has worked for me several times. However, if Black plays the slightly altered move order 1.c4 Nf6 2.g3 e6 3.Bg2 d5 4.Nf3 Nbd7 5.0-0 c6, White has to make a choice.
6.d4 transposes into a Catalan but Black is not committed to Bd6.
6.b3 transposes into Marin's recommended set-up against Be7 but if Black plays 6...,Bd6, he can follow up with a quick e5 when the Marin line involving qa4+ is no longer possible because of b3.
I've tried both approaches. After d4, the opponent helped by playing Bd6. In another game after b3, a different opponent delayed e5 a little and when it came I was able to open the game up to my advantage.
Does anyone have an opinion on whether d4 or b3 is the better move, after 1.c4 Nf6 2.g3 e6 3.Bg2 d5 4.Nf3 Nbd7 5.0-0 c6 ? I guess d4 transposing into a Catalan must be okay but I'd like to be able to stay in the English if possible.
  
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