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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #48 - 12/13/14 at 22:43:53
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Uhohspaghettio wrote on 12/13/14 at 15:21:49:
I think RenesDescartes has a vastly greater knowledge and understanding of chess and chess players than me. However I have a question, not to be taken as challenging the analysis: if Botvinnik was so boring, then how come he led the way with playing f3 in the queen's gambit, and presumably g4 in many lines? I had never heard of this reputation of Botvinnik before, I heard it of Karpov and of Carlsen and sometimes of Anand but believed if anything the opposite of Botvinnik.
   
I'm sure he must have had something of this reputation. However in a way, isn't that just chess? Chess isn't a party. There's a difference between playing correctly and obstinately cautiously and forcing draws or dull endgames you have specialist knowledge of. 



I think Rene was being sarcastic in response to someone labelling Kramnik a coffeehouse player.
  

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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
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I think RenesDescartes has a vastly greater knowledge and understanding of chess and chess players than me. However I have a question, not to be taken as challenging the analysis: if Botvinnik was so boring, then how come he led the way with playing f3 in the queen's gambit, and presumably g4 in many lines? I had never heard of this reputation of Botvinnik before, I heard it of Karpov and of Carlsen and sometimes of Anand but believed if anything the opposite of Botvinnik.
   
I'm sure he must have had something of this reputation. However in a way, isn't that just chess? Chess isn't a party. There's a difference between playing correctly and obstinately cautiously and forcing draws or dull endgames you have specialist knowledge of. 
  

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Reply #46 - 12/08/14 at 23:59:52
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Maybe he is just not quite as motivated as he once was, having already achieved everything there is to achieve in chess and having a family and all Smiley  he is still an absolute beast of course. I would love to see a Carlsen - Kramnik match above all.
  
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Reply #45 - 12/05/14 at 22:29:22
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up and comer wrote on 12/04/14 at 18:41:46:
Not bad Mr. Kramnik  Cool. Add in his appearance fee and it was a financially successful tournament, on top of gaining some rating points and passing Nakamura on the live ratings list.


Do you mean Hikaru Nakamura, the manga writer?  Wink She writes interesting stuff.

Seriously, each world champion will be beaten. So being in the top ten is no downfall then. So the title of this thread sounds like trolling to me.  Sad
  

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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #44 - 12/05/14 at 19:29:45
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Yu is no mug, welcome to the real world Mr Kramnik. He didnt do too bad all the same.
  
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Reply #43 - 12/04/14 at 21:20:44
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ReneDescartes wrote on 12/04/14 at 15:48:15:
Yeah, Kramnik playing the Berlin and eventually playing a risky move or, God forbid, making a tactical error is the height of coffeehouse chess. In fact, when you say "coffeehouse," you say "Kramnik." It figures, because, after all, he was the last champion student of that ultimate coffeehouse player and devil-may-care bon-vivant, Botvinnik--the life of the Party.


f5&gxf5 is not only a tactical error (I assume he missed Qc3), it's pretty insane to consider in this situation, when he only needs a draw to clinch the tournament win. Even without a direct tactical refutation, that game is going to end either 1-0 or 0-1 after he opens the g-file.

Lawl @ Botvinnik-the life of the Party, I will use that for sure. Coincidentally many Botvinnik School students were daredevil attacking types -- they probably benefited from the training there the most.
  
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Reply #42 - 12/04/14 at 18:41:46
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Not bad Mr. Kramnik  Cool. Add in his appearance fee and it was a financially successful tournament, on top of gaining some rating points and passing Nakamura on the live ratings list.
  

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Reply #41 - 12/04/14 at 18:34:55
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up and comer wrote on 12/04/14 at 17:49:55:
I wonder how much money he won.

$12500 https://twitter.com/chess24com/status/540499322228330498
  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #40 - 12/04/14 at 17:49:55
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Kramnik was playing his game against Yu pretty well until f5 happened. After that things quickly got away from him. I would personally call that a positional error, although tactical errors soon followed. Other than that strange move very good form from Kramnik, it was fun to watch his games. He tied for second with Giri right? I wonder how much money he won.
  

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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #39 - 12/04/14 at 16:49:38
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9 rounds without a break is a fairly brutal schedule Smiley
  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
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Yeah, Kramnik playing the Berlin and eventually playing a risky move or, God forbid, making a tactical error is the height of coffeehouse chess. In fact, when you say "coffeehouse," you say "Kramnik." It figures, because, after all, he was the last champion student of that ultimate coffeehouse player and devil-may-care bon-vivant, Botvinnik--the life of the Party.
  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #37 - 12/04/14 at 15:11:36
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Pretty baffling loss to Yu after a great tournament. Why did he choose to play coffeehouse chess today? Was he angling for 8/9 glory?
  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #36 - 12/04/14 at 12:48:07
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Kramnik on his downfall gained 8 rating points. I wish each downfall I have to go through would end the same way.
  
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Reply #35 - 12/04/14 at 12:16:52
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something went very wrong for Kramnik
  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #34 - 12/04/14 at 10:49:57
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Seth_Xoma wrote on 12/04/14 at 01:38:25:
This loss was a huge hit to GM Giri's career. One which he may never recover from.

It's really sad to see him lose to someone like Kramnik who just doesn't have it anymore.



iirc Giri does not have a good record vs. Kramnik. Also from some of Giri's annotations at Chessbase one can tell that he admires Kramnik's play. I think he could have some psychological difficulties facing Kramnik and this may affect his level of play.
  

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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #33 - 12/04/14 at 09:27:12
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Definitely Wink

There's an interview with Kramnik from the early rounds where he points out it isn't all that different from early rounds at the Olympiad and his early opponents actually didn't play at all badly. No rule that a motivated 2500 has to roll over and die vs anyone.

Nice to see him really picking up form though.
  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #32 - 12/04/14 at 01:38:25
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This loss was a huge hit to GM Giri's career. One which he may never recover from.

It's really sad to see him lose to someone like Kramnik who just doesn't have it anymore.

  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #31 - 12/04/14 at 00:15:04
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LostTactic wrote on 11/28/14 at 10:43:45:
Kramnik's style is not very suited to "Open" tournaments. I imagine he's getting a decent appearance fee to play there and the conditions are excellent according to Williams and King.

I am a bit concerned about how Kramnik plans to qualify for the next Candidates tournaments because it's unlikely he will on rating and as far as I'm aware he doesn't seem to have plans to participate in the Grand Prix cycle. Therefore I assume he'll either try to get in via the World Cup or perhaps get the Russian nomination if the Candidates is backed by Russian $$$.


Hmm....
  
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Reply #30 - 12/03/14 at 20:45:34
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Apollo wrote on 12/03/14 at 20:30:19:
Brilliant technical play today by Kramnik. Shades of Cohn-Rubinstein 1909 appreciated by all of those with classical chess education  Tongue


The opening reminded me of Capablanca-Molina, but that had no ...h6 and Bd3 followed by a (as far as I know) faulty Bxh7+.
  
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Brilliant technical play today by Kramnik. Shades of Cohn-Rubinstein 1909 appreciated by all of those with classical chess education  Tongue
  
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Reply #28 - 12/03/14 at 20:10:34
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Lol!
  
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Reply #27 - 12/03/14 at 18:11:19
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Cheesy
  

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Reply #26 - 12/03/14 at 17:47:58
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MartinC wrote on 12/03/14 at 11:30:14:
Or just take a half point bye Smiley That's super tempting for weekend events in England when that's Friday evening which really isn't a good time to be playing a long game of chess!



And then what happens is one gets paired against another Swiss Gambiteer.

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Reply #25 - 12/03/14 at 17:10:28
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So, today he won with this weapon:  1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. Nc3 Nbd7 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bh4 Be7 7. e3 O-O 8.
Rc1 c5 (9. cd Nxd5 10. Bxe7 Nxe7) ...
  
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Or just take a half point bye Smiley That's super tempting for weekend events in England when that's Friday evening which really isn't a good time to be playing a long game of chess!
  
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Reply #23 - 12/03/14 at 10:47:53
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As in this tournament, I hope the demise of Kramnik's world title ambitions has been greatly exaggerated. He does play some exquisite chess at his best. Some of his play in the Open harks back to the tactical mahem he used to indulge in on the black side of the Botvinnik for example but that win over Giri was great.

I know a very experienced player in my area who very regularly draws the first game in a weekend Swiss, trying to get the Tal effect.
  
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Reply #22 - 12/02/14 at 21:13:30
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that game has a really nice ending! Nice discovery!

ReneDescartes wrote on 12/02/14 at 17:36:30:
Another interesting tidbit from Qatar: check out the hilarious conclusion to this game, where Jussupow destroys Black's move 32 in the style of a geometrical proof. It would make a great example for one of his books (not that Black wouldn't lose eventually after guarding his back rank, but to lose like this...)!

  
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Reply #21 - 12/02/14 at 21:12:03
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I have to admit, kramnik turned things around and plays really beautiful chess!!! (now that I said that he prolly gonna lose tomorrow Wink)

Keano wrote on 12/02/14 at 19:40:05:
ery nice game by Kramnik today - thread title needs changing
  
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Very nice game by Kramnik today - thread title needs changing.
  
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Another interesting tidbit from Qatar: check out the hilarious conclusion to this game, where Jussupow destroys Black's move 32 in the style of a geometrical proof. It would make a great example for one of his books (not that Black wouldn't lose eventually after guarding his back rank, but to lose like this...)!
  
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Reply #18 - 12/02/14 at 15:21:46
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IsaVulpes wrote on 12/01/14 at 21:33:14:
tony37 wrote on 12/01/14 at 15:23:33:
Kramnik won 4 games in a row, does that mean he's on the way to world champion?

He'll have to beat Giri first


Looks like he is doing just that at the moment ... 34 moves played and it looks very good for Kramnik. Very smooth game so far.
  
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Reply #17 - 12/02/14 at 12:20:36
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Oblonskij wrote on 12/02/14 at 10:29:54:
The swiss gambit does not work. Proof: If you start with wins, you can always lose the point later that you chose not to lose in the first round. That way, you are in the same situation but with a better tie-break.

After an early loss, you can console yourself with the prospect of softer opposition, but you are never better off than after a win.

I've seen many situations when one player has 6,5/8 and the other has 6/8 and after the last round the positions were reversed. A half point extra and you are playing a 2500 instead of a 2200 rated player.
Also playing on the top boards is much more intensive than playing on lower boards. Playing chess against higher rated competition eats energy and in a long tournament  you often see players becoming tired in the last rounds and making errors which they otherwise don't make. Surely if you are not that young anymore then it is a good strategy to save energy.

Besides many tournaments don't care about the tie-break for the prices. I've seen prices evenly divided between 3rd and 10th in the final standings with all players having 7/9.
  
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The swiss gambit does not work. Proof: If you start with wins, you can always lose the point later that you chose not to lose in the first round. That way, you are in the same situation but with a better tie-break.

After an early loss, you can console yourself with the prospect of softer opposition, but you are never better off than after a win.
  
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Reply #15 - 12/01/14 at 22:57:58
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Reply #14 - 12/01/14 at 22:25:39
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Uhohspaghettio wrote on 12/01/14 at 21:36:29:
Pale Horse, Pale Rider wrote on 12/01/14 at 20:43:25:
HgMan wrote on 12/01/14 at 20:26:34:
Closer to home (chess, that is) Tal habitually "threw" the first game in tournaments and then played catch-up. I'm not sure it's a recommended practice (and Kramnik may come to rue those two half-points), but nevertheless...


This method is jokingly referred to as "suisse gambit" among players in my area


Are you talking about a Swiss Gambit? I'm pretty sure that's a well known and serious strategy in Swiss tournaments, not just in chess but in other games using the system.
 
For me it's a clear flaw in the system itself. You can't expect a player to play their best if it might hurt them.


Yea, that's what I meant... my brain obviously went into french mode for a moment. Didn't know that it was a common term ...
  
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Reply #13 - 12/01/14 at 22:12:53
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Last year I benefited of a Swiss gambit to score 7/9 in an international tournament and win some money. It wasn't deliberate as described in my article http://chess-brabo.blogspot.be/2013/10/swiss-gambit.html but nevertheless it didn't feel fair to players whom played continuously on the top-boards.
  
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Reply #12 - 12/01/14 at 21:36:29
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Pale Horse, Pale Rider wrote on 12/01/14 at 20:43:25:
HgMan wrote on 12/01/14 at 20:26:34:
Closer to home (chess, that is) Tal habitually "threw" the first game in tournaments and then played catch-up. I'm not sure it's a recommended practice (and Kramnik may come to rue those two half-points), but nevertheless...


This method is jokingly referred to as "suisse gambit" among players in my area


Are you talking about a Swiss Gambit? I'm pretty sure that's a well known and serious strategy in Swiss tournaments, not just in chess but in other games using the system.
 
For me it's a clear flaw in the system itself. You can't expect a player to play their best if it might hurt them.
  

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tony37 wrote on 12/01/14 at 15:23:33:
Kramnik won 4 games in a row, does that mean he's on the way to world champion?

He'll have to beat Giri first, who is currently trying to claim his spot in the 2800 Club  Wink
  
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HgMan wrote on 12/01/14 at 20:26:34:
Closer to home (chess, that is) Tal habitually "threw" the first game in tournaments and then played catch-up. I'm not sure it's a recommended practice (and Kramnik may come to rue those two half-points), but nevertheless...


This method is jokingly referred to as "suisse gambit" among players in my area
  
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Closer to home (chess, that is) Tal habitually "threw" the first game in tournaments and then played catch-up. I'm not sure it's a recommended practice (and Kramnik may come to rue those two half-points), but nevertheless...

LostTactic wrote on 11/28/14 at 10:43:45:
Kramnik's style is not very suited to "Open" tournaments.


This has often been the knock against Kramnik. Safe, positional chess yields too many draws in Open tournaments. In spite of a rocky start, it would appear as though Kramnik has come to play. A few of those wins will reward study and analysis...
  

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In American football, the Patriots started 2-2. After their embarrassing loss to the Kansas City Chiefs, 14-41 on a Monday night, the commentators were saying that Tom Brady, their Hall-of-Fame quarterback, was looking ready for retirement and the Patriots were a shadow of their former selves.

Today, the Patriots are sitting on top of their conference and look likely to play in the Super Bowl. (I'm hoping Hell freezes over first, being a die-hard Broncos fan.)

Just as with the Patriots, rumours of Kramnik's demise are greatly exaggerated.
  
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Reply #7 - 12/01/14 at 18:28:32
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Kramnik vs Giri = 5 wins for Kramnik and 2 draws in classical chess

Interesting battle tomorrow!
  
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Kramnik won 4 games in a row, does that mean he's on the way to world champion?
  
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Keano wrote on 11/27/14 at 20:44:31:
seems logical g4 there

Maybe, but the follow-up looked like real nonsense to this patzer's eyes, or at least an heroic attempt to get into John Watson's next book  Smiley ...but that's life in open tournaments, I suppose. (Actually he was a bit lucky not to lose in round one on the Black side of an Evans Gambit.)

  

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Reply #4 - 11/28/14 at 10:43:45
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Kramnik's style is not very suited to "Open" tournaments. I imagine he's getting a decent appearance fee to play there and the conditions are excellent according to Williams and King.

I am a bit concerned about how Kramnik plans to qualify for the next Candidates tournaments because it's unlikely he will on rating and as far as I'm aware he doesn't seem to have plans to participate in the Grand Prix cycle. Therefore I assume he'll either try to get in via the World Cup or perhaps get the Russian nomination if the Candidates is backed by Russian $$$.
  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #3 - 11/28/14 at 09:25:15
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It's the moves that count, not the rating. Every chess player has lost (or in this case, played a draw) against lower rated players. Take a look at any open tournament. There will be upsets in nearly every round. Two draws = not a downfall.
  

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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #2 - 11/27/14 at 20:44:31
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seems logical g4 there
  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #1 - 11/27/14 at 19:34:34
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Man, Kramnik drawing with white against 24xx ... unbelieveable!


For reasons best known to himself, he elected to steer the position into a madhouse

  
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11/27/14 at 17:14:45
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I am just looking at some games of the Qatar open and noticed Kramnik drew his first 2 games. In the 1st round he faced a 25xx opponent with black and in the second a 24xx opponent with white.

Man, Kramnik drawing with white against 24xx ... unbelieveable!
  
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