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Reply #7 - 01/11/15 at 05:29:08
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6...Nbd7 certainly has some logic, since White has covered the g4 square Black doesn't need to keep the option of ...Ng4 open anymore.

I'm sure that any reasonable King's Indian setup is playable here, but for some reason my chess education tells me to switch to ...c5! when White plays a system with an early dark-squared Bishop move.  Especially with the Bishop on e3, White isn't going to get much of anything by going into a Benoni.  I think the only real question here is how 6...c5 7.dxc5 works out, as 7.d5 and 7.Nf3 should be perfectly fine for Black, in my opinion.
  
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Reply #6 - 01/11/15 at 00:37:36
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It might be of some interest to compare the stuff in Watson's 1. d4 book to an earlier book he did, "The Unconventional King's Indian."  Back then he gave a number of ways of playing by Black as leading to = or unclear, but seemed to have a liking for 5...Nbd7.  ("This retains the option of ...c5 or ...e5, depending upon what White does, and also saves a tempo on ...0-0 for attacking the center.  This can be particularly significant when Black plays ...e5, because, in contrast to the 5. Nf3 0-0 6. h3 lines, White has no time to get in Nf3, Be3, and then Nd2 in order to protect his e-pawn, which is the ideal arrangement in so many King's Indian lines.  Similarly, he lacks time for g4/Nge2-g3, and may have to defend the e-pawn with either Qc2 or f3, both of which have drawbacks.")
  
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Reply #5 - 01/10/15 at 23:50:04
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Fllg wrote on 01/10/15 at 09:02:53:
But to be honest, learning the KID as a 3rd or 4th defence sounds tough to me. I remember Kotronias recommended to have one solid alternative to the KID.

It's probably not a permanent thing, just widening my horizons a bit.

I'm a bit on the fence now whether I really have time to make a serious effort at further improvement, but if I do, 1.d4 2.c4 will be my main choice as White. And then it pays to have some experience with the most popular defences from the other side. I've always found I understand an opening better if I've tried it as both White and Black. And the KID is undeniably very popular!

To be a bit more on topic: When looking at the h3 lines, I also remember marking this h3/Be3 setup as one where it's far from obvious how Black should play, and White is (was?) scoring well in practice.
  

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Re: 5.h3 0-0 6.Be3
Reply #4 - 01/10/15 at 09:02:53
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Stigma wrote on 01/10/15 at 00:03:49:
Out of curiosity, what does Van Kampen cover against the Classical?


Van Kampen recommends indeed the Mar del Plata.

If you are looking for an alternative, maybe Dejan Bojkov´s coverage of 7...exd4 in his book "Modernized: The King´s Indian Defence" is of interest to you.

But to be honest, learning the KID as a 3rd or 4th defence sounds tough to me. I remember Kotronias recommended to have one solid alternative to the KID.
  
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Reply #3 - 01/10/15 at 01:45:53
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In reply to 7...a5 Watson recommends the immediate 8.c5 or 8.Nf3 Na6 9.Be2 (on 9.Nd2 Ne8 is a good reply as he himself admits) Nc5 (he also considers 9...Ne8 or 9...Nh5 but omits 9...Nd7 which seems adequate).

Eventually both these lines doesn't look very threatening for black...maybe I am wrongly overestimating white's chances in this type of positions with an early g4 push.

Excuse me for my english.
  
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Re: 5.h3 0-0 6.Be3
Reply #2 - 01/10/15 at 00:03:49
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CourtneyGrant wrote on 01/09/15 at 22:08:52:
Hi people,
recently I started to play King's Indian and I like GM Robin Van Kampen chess24 video repertoire.

Out of curiosity, what does Van Kampen cover against the Classical? I'm thinking of dabbling in the King's Indian, but it would be absurd to learn the whole Mar del Plata/Bayonet etc. complex for a 3rd or 4th defence, so I'm always looking for playable alternatives!
  

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Re: 5.h3 0-0 6.Be3
Reply #1 - 01/09/15 at 23:59:24
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Hi Courtney - I don't know what exactly Watson's recommendation does, but a solid start would be the traditional 6...e5 7.d5 a5, with ...Na6 to follow, e.g.

  
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5.h3 0-0 6.Be3
01/09/15 at 22:08:52
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Hi people,
recently I started to play King's Indian and I like GM Robin Van Kampen chess24 video repertoire.
But there's this line with Be3 (suggested by IM Watson in his 1.d4 repertoire book) he doesn't cover (6.Bg5 c5 and 6.Nf3 e5 are covered).
What's the better approach? 6...e5 or 6...c5 or some other plan?
Thank you.
  
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