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Re: Why play the Nimzo-Indian?
Reply #10 - 03/12/15 at 18:09:53
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I basically agree with the original poster; if you don't like the position after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3, then why would you bother trying to play the Nimzo?  Sooo....what's the point?  People who are happy with Black's options after 3.Nf3 and like the Nimzo will continue to play it, and those (like myself) who don't particularly like Black's options after 3.Nf3 will stop playing the Nimzo.
  
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Re: Why play the Nimzo-Indian?
Reply #9 - 03/12/15 at 00:04:48
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TN wrote on 03/10/15 at 07:18:18:
Because 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 Bb4 is just as exciting,

Then 4.e3 gives a Rubinstein Variation in which Black already has played ...d5. That's inconvenient if Black rather plays the Hübner.
  

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Re: Why play the Nimzo-Indian?
Reply #8 - 03/11/15 at 23:57:12
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I used to play the Nimzo regularly for a short while, and I see no reason why not to play the Queen's Indian. 3. Nf3 b6 and I feel no less comfortable than in the Nimzo.
  
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Re: Why play the Nimzo-Indian?
Reply #7 - 03/11/15 at 13:55:59
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CanadianClub wrote on 03/11/15 at 08:31:13:
BobbyDigital80 wrote on 03/11/15 at 01:25:39:
I was condering playing the Bogo-Indian but I don't really understand the point of 3...Bb4+ when White just plays Nbd2. At some point White will play a3 and trade his knight for black's bishop.


Then Black plays a quick b6, follow by typical nimzo-style structures (d6-f5-Nbd7-Bb7-0-0) and then if it's possible Ne4 and Rf6-Rg6. If not, playing for e5. a5 is a good positional idea also to stop o minimize white play on the queenside (and/or c5 also).

Bogo is simple to play, but as always, there are other options if you don't like it.

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I agree. I only like to add the Nd2 is an ambitious mainline  but most white books and players preferces Bd2.

  
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Re: Why play the Nimzo-Indian?
Reply #6 - 03/11/15 at 08:31:13
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BobbyDigital80 wrote on 03/11/15 at 01:25:39:
I was condering playing the Bogo-Indian but I don't really understand the point of 3...Bb4+ when White just plays Nbd2. At some point White will play a3 and trade his knight for black's bishop.


Then Black plays a quick b6, follow by typical nimzo-style structures (d6-f5-Nbd7-Bb7-0-0) and then if it's possible Ne4 and Rf6-Rg6. If not, playing for e5. a5 is a good positional idea also to stop o minimize white play on the queenside (and/or c5 also).

Bogo is simple to play, but as always, there are other options if you don't like it.

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Re: Why play the Nimzo-Indian?
Reply #5 - 03/11/15 at 01:25:39
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CanadianClub wrote on 03/10/15 at 09:15:11:
Nimzo + Ragozin is a good combo. In fact, some Qc2 Nimzo can even transpose to Ragozin lines. Barsky book on the Ragozin is wonderfull.

If you like positional play, Bogo-Indian is a good option also. Easy to study (very few lines to check) and interesting positions arising. My opinion on that opening is that white players don't understand so much that kind of positions; they know better how to play against Benko or Benoni (or even Queens Indian) but not against Bogo... And this is great for me Smiley

I don't know if you guys feels the same but I lately I am facing more nimzos than two years before in tournaments. The ratio (3.Nc3) / (3.Nf3) is increasing... Maybe a question of fashion... A lot of 3.g3 by White also, so you have to be prepared to face it.

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I was condering playing the Bogo-Indian but I don't really understand the point of 3...Bb4+ when White just plays Nbd2. At some point White will play a3 and trade his knight for black's bishop.
  
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Re: Why play the Nimzo-Indian?
Reply #4 - 03/10/15 at 13:57:38
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CanadianClub wrote on 03/10/15 at 09:15:11:
I don't know if you guys feels the same but I lately I am facing more nimzos than two years before in tournaments. The ratio (3.Nc3) / (3.Nf3) is increasing... Maybe a question of fashion... A lot of 3.g3 by White also, so you have to be prepared to face it.

Salut,


That's probably because most 1.d4 repertoire books recommend allowing the Nimzo as after 3.Nf3 there's a lot of different things Black can try (not least 3...d5), and most authors writing about a repertoire featuring the Catalan tend to spend a whole book just on this subject.
  

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Re: Why play the Nimzo-Indian?
Reply #3 - 03/10/15 at 09:15:11
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Nimzo + Ragozin is a good combo. In fact, some Qc2 Nimzo can even transpose to Ragozin lines. Barsky book on the Ragozin is wonderfull.

If you like positional play, Bogo-Indian is a good option also. Easy to study (very few lines to check) and interesting positions arising. My opinion on that opening is that white players don't understand so much that kind of positions; they know better how to play against Benko or Benoni (or even Queens Indian) but not against Bogo... And this is great for me Smiley

I don't know if you guys feels the same but I lately I am facing more nimzos than two years before in tournaments. The ratio (3.Nc3) / (3.Nf3) is increasing... Maybe a question of fashion... A lot of 3.g3 by White also, so you have to be prepared to face it.

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Re: Why play the Nimzo-Indian?
Reply #2 - 03/10/15 at 08:59:34
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You could also try the Noteboom if you want excitement. Must admit though, for me the positions are so odd that I failed to get my head round it. "I lurch that side, you lurch in the middle". But, praps just me. Likely odd for white too though....
CB have a video out on it, discussed hereabouts, maybe that might be your cup of thrills n' spills dynamic tea?

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Re: Why play the Nimzo-Indian?
Reply #1 - 03/10/15 at 07:18:18
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Because 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 Bb4 is just as exciting, although I'll concede that after 4.g3 you have to take more risks to get the same exciting play (4...dxc4 5.Bg2 a6 is one way to go about it). There's also the Modern Benoni invitation with 3...c5 but it's a fact of chess that if White wants a solid position, there's not a lot you can do about it (though 4.e3 a6 5.Nc3 d5 is hardly boring).
  

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Why play the Nimzo-Indian?
03/10/15 at 06:46:17
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I'm joking a little bit when I say "Why play the Nimzo-Indian?" but I wanted to make a point. I love the Nimzo-Indian but I'm not that thrilled about facing 3.Nf3 because nothing against that move seems as exciting to me as the Nimzo. And I believe most Nimzo players face 3.Nf3 a little more than they do 3.Nc3, so I was kind of thinking why study this opening so much when most of the time you don't even get to play it?

The same argument could be made about having to face openings like the London, Torre, Colle, etc. a lot, but the difference is that those openings aren't considered as good as main lines, and both 3.Nc3 and 3.Nf3 are main lines.
  
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