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Re: 1 Nf3 Repertoire
Reply #13 - 05/16/15 at 00:59:35
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I'm thinking of switching from Catalan Variations to the line with b3 (1 Nf3 d5 2 c4 e6 3 g3 Nf6 4 Bg2 Be7 5 0-0 0-0 6 b3) simply because it probably cuts down the amount of stuff I'll need to know (I'm still using 1 Nf3 as a back-up to 1 e4 in any case)

I think by playing this, I can avoid the Tarrasch, QID and possibly the Hedgehog (?)

Anybody know what the consensus on this line is supposed to be (or, preferably, give me general advice on playing these positions?  Smiley )
  

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Re: 1 Nf3 Repertoire
Reply #12 - 05/13/15 at 00:07:02
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re. 1 Nf3 c5 2 c4 Nc6, my intention was to play 3 d4! immediately here, having avoided the Vaganian (sp?) Gambit

re. 1 Nf3 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 g3 Bb7 4 d4 g6, I remember this being recommended by Kaufman as an alternative to the Anti-Grunfeld. I found it odd how he admits in his introduction that (paraphrasing) engines aren't as well developed in their ability to evaluate closed positions ("such as the French, but that's not in this book") but later claims near-refutation of the KID based mainly on engine evaluations, and has one of his main selling points for the QID/KID hybrid as (again, paraphrasing) "the engines prefer Black's chances here to the KID proper"

re. 1 Nf3 Nf6 2 c4 b6 3 g3 c5, I think the Hedgehog that is likely to occur would fall under the category of "1 Nf3 c5 2 c4 and d2-d4 asap", although in fairness I was too lazy at the time to expand that   Tongue

re. 1 Nf3 d5 2 c4 d4 3 b4 f6, I recall seeing a Hillarp-Persson game in this line which was fairly inspiring as an alternative to Delchev's (refuted?) recommendation...I can't seem to find the game now though - further research required  Cheesy

  

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Re: 1 Nf3 Repertoire
Reply #11 - 05/12/15 at 23:57:27
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Lanark wrote on 04/22/15 at 11:54:32:
Mainline_Novelty wrote on 04/15/15 at 18:10:55:
C) 1...c5 2 c4 and d2-d4 asap.


With "asap" do you mean also 1.Nf3 c5 2.c4 Nf6 3.d4?
I haven't seen anyone advocating this. It's certainly not bad and even played quite often, but in most books this Anti-Benoni stuff is given as relatively easy equality for Black.
Craig Pritchett in "Play the English" does recommend systems with d4, but only after 1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3.
Do you have any advice for the White side after 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 and now 4...e6/Nc6/e5? That would be interesting as a weapon against the Benoni.  Smiley



Nah, I meant 3 Nc3 and 4 d4, because, in all honesty, I'm terrified of the 3 d4 cxd4 4 Nxd4 e5! gambit  Grin
  

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Re: 1 Nf3 Repertoire
Reply #10 - 05/10/15 at 18:06:45
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Lauri Torni wrote on 05/05/15 at 07:23:28:
I think 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 d4 3.b4 f6 is very OK for black
So I play 2.d4 but 2.g3 and soon c4 is also reasonable (a'la Kramnik)

1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 e6 3.g3 dxc4 also looks good for Black.  I've started to lean towards 2.d4 as well

Lauri Torni wrote on 05/05/15 at 07:23:28:
Also 1.Nf3 c5 2.c4 Nc6 3.Nc3 is the move order I prefer. White is very comfortable in practice.

But here 3...e5 looks like an equalizer according to statistics.

I'm also wondering what you guys play against 1...d6. Haven't found a really satisfying line yet.
  
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Re: 1 Nf3 Repertoire
Reply #9 - 05/05/15 at 07:23:28
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I think 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 d4 3.b4 f6 is very OK for black

So I play 2.d4 but 2.g3 and soon c4 is also reasonable (a'la Kramnik)

Also 1.Nf3 c5 2.c4 Nc6 3.Nc3 is the move order I prefer. White is very comfortable in practice.

Against KI one just have to take the bull by the horns and play either KI classical or fianchetto. But that's life.
  

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Re: 1 Nf3 Repertoire
Reply #8 - 04/28/15 at 11:48:21
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True that, but the original poster was asking for lines he might have overlooked. I was just pointing one out.
  
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Re: 1 Nf3 Repertoire
Reply #7 - 04/27/15 at 20:52:19
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Crapov wrote on 04/24/15 at 18:44:30:
I don't see a way for White to effectively avoid the Hedgehog.


A style issue perhaps, but why would White want to avoid it? There's even a trap that Black can fall into with an inaccurate move order.


  
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Re: 1 Nf3 Repertoire
Reply #6 - 04/24/15 at 18:44:30
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One thought. If Black employs the move order 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 b6 3.g3 c5!? I don't see a way for White to effectively avoid the Hedgehog.
  
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Re: 1 Nf3 Repertoire
Reply #5 - 04/22/15 at 13:21:39
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I play 1.Nf3 occasionally (mostly when I expect a specific line from my opponent and can prepare). So far my biggest problem has been the KID actually. I've tried the Closed Sicilian Reversed repertoire from the Donaldson and Hansen book, but some of the lines are a bit too equal. And I tried the Classical Bayonet once and got outplayed.

There is also 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.b4, which was recommended in Dunnington's old Easy Guide to the Reti IIRC. But I may end up transposing to the Fianchetto or some Classical sideline in the end. With 1.Nf3 I want solid positions, but not too solid (i.e. sterile)!
  

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Re: 1 Nf3 Repertoire
Reply #4 - 04/22/15 at 12:13:37
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Mostly just transposition to 3 Nc3/4 d4 I'd have thought, because white's knight really does fairly obviously belong on c3 Smiley

iirc 4.. e5 normally means that gambit with d5 on the next move, which is certainly scary but some strong players on the white side too. Could do well enough against it if well prepared and happy to suffer a bit for material.
  
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Re: 1 Nf3 Repertoire
Reply #3 - 04/22/15 at 11:54:32
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Mainline_Novelty wrote on 04/15/15 at 18:10:55:
C) 1...c5 2 c4 and d2-d4 asap.


With "asap" do you mean also 1.Nf3 c5 2.c4 Nf6 3.d4?
I haven't seen anyone advocating this. It's certainly not bad and even played quite often, but in most books this Anti-Benoni stuff is given as relatively easy equality for Black.
Craig Pritchett in "Play the English" does recommend systems with d4, but only after 1.c4 c5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nc3.
Do you have any advice for the White side after 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 and now 4...e6/Nc6/e5? That would be interesting as a weapon against the Benoni.  Smiley

I have played mostly 1.e4 in the past, but I'm trying to switch to closed openings, too.
I haven't made up my mind between 1.d4 and 1.Nf3 yet.
I like 1.Nf3 a lot and would play similar lines as you. What puts me off a bit are the "small" moves, say 1...d6, 1...g6, 1...e6 and 1...b6. Here 1.Nf3 is not flexible enough for my taste. Especially against the Modern/Pirc I'm not too fond of systems with an early Nf3.

Maybe everything will change when Bryan Paulsen's book is out.  Smiley

  
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Re: 1 Nf3 Repertoire
Reply #2 - 04/22/15 at 09:56:38
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The Double Fianchetto is becoming popular. 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 b6 3.g3 Bb7 4.d4 g6 (Other moves on 3rd and 4th and black could probably sneak into a Hedgehog or a QID out of your repertoire).
I've also been preparing a 1.Nf3 repertoire, with similar lines as you, and I'm also around 2050. I hope you'll keep posting your progress in this thread!
  
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Re: 1 Nf3 Repertoire
Reply #1 - 04/15/15 at 18:18:39
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er...some lines which I just realized are missing:

1 Nf3 d5 2 c4 e6 3 g3 dxc4 4 Qa4+; as recommended by Delchev

1 Nf3 Nf6 2 c4 e6 3 g3 a6!? is apparently quite a decent line...

1 Nf3 d6/g6 2 e4, with a transposition to a Classical Pirc (1...g6 2 e4 c5 3 c4 and 4 d4 with a transposition to 1 Nf3 c5 2 c4 g6 3 e4 etc.)

1 Nf3 f5 2 g3 with a c4+d3 set-up (I'd like to play 2 d3!?, but I think Black can circumvent this with 1 Nf3 e6 2 c4 f5 etc....although I suppose then I've at least avoided the Leningrad.)
  

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1 Nf3 Repertoire
04/15/15 at 18:10:55
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Hello! I'm somewhat new to 1 Nf3, and I've put a bit of thought into creating a repertoire. It's relatively transpositional, and was wondering if there were any obvious holes/move order deficiencies in it (or if anyone had any suggestions/recommendations). Thanks!


1 Nf3

A) 1...d5 2 c4

     2...e6; 3 g3, wait for Black to commit to ...Be7, and then play d2-d4, transposing to the Catalan, circumventing several critical lines.

    2...c6 3 e3 Nf6 4 Nc3; ...Bf5/g4 5 Qb3; on 4...e6 5 d4, transposing to the Meran, having avoided the Classical Slav lines with ...dxc4

   2...dxc4 3 e3; following Delchev's repertoire, delaying d2-d4, and waiting for a convenient moment to transpose to the QGA proper.

   2...d4 3 b4!?

B) 1...Nf6 2 c4

    2...e6 3 g3

              3...b6 4 Bg2 Bb7 5 d4 transposing to the QID, having avoided ...Ba6 lines.

   2...g6 3 Nc3

          3...Bg7 4 e4 d6 5 d4 0-0 6 Be2 e5 7 Be3

          3...d5 4 cxd5 Nxd5 5 Qb3 (not entirely sure here)

C) 1...c5 2 c4 and d2-d4 asap.
  

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