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Re: 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 b5!?
Reply #8 - 07/04/17 at 05:43:36
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I played this way years ago when I wanted to play the Budapest and White avoided it.  As a 1500-player without a database or many books, I wracked my brains, thought and thought about how to punish White for playing 2.Nf3, and hit on 2...b5 as a way to punish him for avoiding putting the c-pawn on its rightful square. 

It's about as reasonable a try for Black as the Budapest is.
  
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Re: 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 b5!?
Reply #7 - 07/04/17 at 05:31:42
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I am playing the Sokolsky, 1 b4! with White. This move order reminds me of Santasiere's Folly, 1 Nf3 Nf6 2 b4!

Yes, 1 d4 Nf6 2 Nf3 b5 is the Polish Defense. It can also arise from the move order 1 d4 b5 2 Nf3 Nf6. Same thing.
  
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Re: 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 b5!?
Reply #6 - 04/28/15 at 08:40:01
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DenVerdsligeRejsende wrote on 04/25/15 at 21:20:24:
But also another idea is just to play like a hypermodern way, with plans of ...e6/...c5/...Be7/...cxd4/...d6 with Hedgehog style play.


It's a later idea when playing in Hedgehog  style as Black against the London system or Torre to play a6 and b5. The London system is very stereotyped with the only initial choice by White as to whether to place the Bishop on e2, d3 or c4. An early c4 would rule out the latter system.

The sharp line is to play 3. e4. Aronian played this against Carlsen in the Zurich Blitz in January 2014.

You might also play the line if you knew that White would continue 3. c4 and you wanted to disrupt their normal lines of play.
  
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Re: 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 b5!?
Reply #5 - 04/27/15 at 03:18:49
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I don't know what is key about that game, but the opening reminds me of a famous game Karpov lost to Miles.
  
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Re: 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 b5!?
Reply #4 - 04/27/15 at 02:51:41
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This is very interesting, I did a search in Big Database 2015 with the position and it gives me these statistics:

Total parties: 1251

1-0: 440 parties = 35,2% Total 49,6%
½-½: 362 parties = 28,9%
0-1: 449 parties = 35,9% Total 50,4%

White average rating: 2200 (perf = 2241)
Black average rating: 2229 (perf = 2215)

Key game in 1. d4 Sf6 2. Sf3 b5:

  
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Reply #3 - 04/26/15 at 20:06:54
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I just did a search and surprised to see quite some 2300+ playing it. Even Khismatullin played it in Moscow Open. Keith Arkell played it more than once.
  
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Re: 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 b5!?
Reply #2 - 04/26/15 at 16:40:41
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Not that it's very important, but I've heard this called the Polish Defense Deferred, in case that might help you with some searches or anything.
  
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Re: 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 b5!?
Reply #1 - 04/26/15 at 08:22:42
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Afaik White is just a bit better if they go for a Colle with 3.e3 a6 4.Bd3. There's probably a good case for 3.Bg5 and even 3.e4 as well.
  

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1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 b5!?
04/25/15 at 21:20:24
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I have no idea where to put this, because I am even sure what this opening is called, but I saw this in the FIDE Women World Championskap and thought that it looked interesting to take advantage of those players who try to avoid the gambit lines with 1. d4 and 2. Nf3 before going with c4.

My guess is that the play is like the English Defence, but at same time with control over c4 square. Possibly Black can transpose to the lines with 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 e6 3. g3 d5 4. Bg2 b5 like in Awrukh's book. But also another idea is just to play like a hypermodern way, with plans of ...e6/...c5/...Be7/...cxd4/...d6 with Hedgehog style play. Is this setup doing okay so far?
  
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