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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #62 - 02/12/16 at 05:18:17
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #61 - 02/11/16 at 00:37:53
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Ghengis, you're treading on thin ice. Stay on topic and stay non-confrontational.
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #60 - 02/10/16 at 12:20:50
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*Non-specific mod hat on - i.e. mod from another zone*
It is probably better indeed to keep more to the topic: focusing on the Breyer, while also noting the lines discussed v 'Other Stuff'. QG - in passing, praps, but let's keep largely to the topic if we can.
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #59 - 02/10/16 at 10:16:56
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But hey, let's talk about the Queen's Gambit...that'll get the author to respond right quick.
  

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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #58 - 02/10/16 at 10:14:28
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Friendly and civilized.

Read boring.

Actually, I tried injecting something into it. Then nothing came. The closest anybody got was telling me that I got my authors mixed up and Ng4 was actually Bologan's suggested move.

And the point is really to figure out if I should buy the book or not -- and the way I do this is to pick one or maybe two lines I consider sticky or critical and evaluate the book from there.

I have no clue other than "he advocates a new approach against h4" -- Got it.

LOL. Well, I guess that's over.
  

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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #57 - 02/10/16 at 02:37:29
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BobbyDigital80 wrote on 02/10/16 at 01:20:19:
Someone mentioned 8...g5 against the exchange Ruy Lopez. I'm confused which line this is exactly. Can someone type just the basic line? Thanks.


It goes like this:  1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.0-0 Bg4 6.h3 h5 7.d3 Qf6 8.Nbd2 g5.
  
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Reply #56 - 02/10/16 at 01:20:19
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Someone mentioned 8...g5 against the exchange Ruy Lopez. I'm confused which line this is exactly. Can someone type just the basic line? Thanks.
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #55 - 02/09/16 at 23:47:56
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ErictheRed wrote on 02/09/16 at 15:56:39:
ghenghisclown wrote on 02/09/16 at 03:19:24:
I probably should have kissed more ass before asking my question.

Live and learn.



Where on Earth did this comment come from?  A few people responded to your question, what more did you want?  You could have facilitated the discussion a bit more yourself.


Yes, also baffled. Seemed childish and inappropriate.
I appreciate it's the internet, but here we are trying to be friendly and civilized, and mostly with great success, considering what happens elsewhere.
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #54 - 02/09/16 at 15:56:39
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ghenghisclown wrote on 02/09/16 at 03:19:24:
I probably should have kissed more ass before asking my question.

Live and learn.



Where on Earth did this comment come from?  A few people responded to your question, what more did you want?  You could have facilitated the discussion a bit more yourself.
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #53 - 02/09/16 at 14:42:05
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It makes no real difference. Khalifman believed that White is slightly better as did ECO. It was more of an "optical" advantage though. Many GMs (like Atalik for example in some of his annotations for chessbase) called this "solid" or even "equal". Today, engines are also able to help us understand better those simplified positions. So, it seems that Kramnik found out that Black is not worse at all.

In this particular position, the inclusion of the ...h6 move might favour Black, if anyone (according to Khalifman it is the same anyway).

The "big gain" with the 4...Nbd7 move order though, is that after 5.Bg5 h6! Black avoids those 4...Be7 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bxf6 variations which were for many years a personal favourite of mine (after 4...Nbd7 5.Bg5 h6 the move 6.Bxf6 makes no sense as White wants to lure a bishop to f6 and not a knight!)
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #52 - 02/09/16 at 13:08:17
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kylemeister wrote on 02/07/16 at 23:06:59:
[quote author=4C6F7374546163746963000 link=1433603238/45#45 date=1454877049]

I suppose you mean 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. Nc3 Be7 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bh4 O-O 7. e3 Nbd7 8. Rc1 c5. 



The similar line 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. Nc3 Be7 5. Bg5 O-O 6. e3 Nbd7 7. Rc1 c5 was known to Capablanca and Marshall, a hundred years ago. The variation with .. h6 and Bh4 first appears in the 1980s.

Capa and Marshall would play 8. cxd5 Nxd5 9. Bxe7 Nxe7, so where is it that the inclusion of .. h6 makes a difference?

  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #51 - 02/09/16 at 10:05:46
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ghenghisclown wrote on 02/09/16 at 03:19:24:
I probably should have kissed more ass before asking my question.

Live and learn.



If you want to discuss the 8. Bd3 line, you might be better off in the 2 Knights forum in a new thread, or in an existing one like  http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1301056797/15

  

Those who want to go by my perverse footsteps play such pawn structure with fuzzy atypical still strategic orientations

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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #49 - 02/08/16 at 20:06:37
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I am about a week into the book, and utterly captivated.  It's really good.   

I especially liked the chapter on the Exchange.  I've spent a lot of time looking for something active that still makes sense to me.  I think I've finally found it.  I admit, I was initially skeptical about 8..g5, but I spent two days checking all the lines with Houdini and, as best that I am able to tell, it all holds up.
 
The chapters on the Breyer are nicely done.  Nikos is invested in this defense, and his enthusiasm shines through.  There is lots of original analysis and good explanation here, and after going through these chapters I felt like I was finally starting to understand this opening.

I don't say that lightly either.  I've played through lots of Breyer games, I've leafed through Kaufman, I've struggled through Bologan, and I've watched a bit of Eljanov's DVD, but it wasn't until I worked my way through Nikos's book, that things started to come together.  In the end, that's really all you can ask from an opening book.   

That said, I did feel like there were places where I could have used more explanation.  These are minor complaints and completely subjective, but I found the transpositions in Chapter 12 a bit baffling at first.  (The summary at the end was exactly what I needed.)  I also think more attention could have been spent on some of the more basic questions, such as how Black wins, what his plans are, and why -- often in similar looking positions -- he chooses one plan over another.

Someone already mentioned the bibliography, but I really like how often Nikos refers to, makes use of, and improves on the contemporary literature. 

I didn't care for the series of diagrams at the beginning of each chapter.  I am too lazy and too impatient to solve the diagrams, and I generally just skip ahead into the chapter.  Instead of diagrams, I'd rather have a longer introduction that spends more time on typical plans or tactics, or on the historical evolution of the line.

Well, I started off just intending to give some preliminary reactions to the book, and I've gone on longer than intended, without even getting into any of the specific theory or analysis.  So I'll stop for now, and if people have specific questions about theory, happy to dive back in, share thoughts, and analyze. 
       
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #48 - 02/07/16 at 23:06:59
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LostTactic wrote on 02/07/16 at 20:30:49:
Playing 1.d4 d5 Classical Repertoire for Black is also a good idea, I hope the TMB and or Lasker is considered, the way Kramnik plays it these days with an early ...Nbd7 deserves some attention too, I can't think of any repertoire book that recommends it.


I suppose you mean 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. Nc3 Be7 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bh4 O-O 7. e3 Nbd7 8. Rc1 c5.  Another possibility is 8...b6, which I noticed was addressed (along with e.g. 7...b6 8. Rc1 Bb7 9. cd ed) by Marin and Stoica in a Yearbook article last year on the "Neo-Tartakower."  Though evidently this would be a so-old-it's-new kind of thing.
  
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