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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #77 - 02/20/16 at 22:12:38
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TopNotch wrote on 02/20/16 at 19:15:00:
What book does the above post refer to?

The subject of the thread title and of the above comment is Ntirlis, Playing 1.e4 e5 - A Classical Repertoire.
  
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Reply #76 - 02/20/16 at 21:53:34
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Playing 1.e4 e5 - A Classical Repertoire by Nikolaos Ntirlis

http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/products/1/267/playing_1e4_e5_-_a_classical_repert...
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #75 - 02/20/16 at 19:15:00
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Fllg wrote on 02/20/16 at 11:43:54:
Coming back to the actual book. Wink

Overall this is one of the best repertoire books I have ever seen. Of course the choice of lines can always be argued with, but it seems to fit together nicely.

One exception is perhaps the line against the Ponziani 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c3 Nf6 4.d4 Nxe4 5.d5 Bc5!? where Black is supposed to sacrifice two (!) pieces - perhaps a bit unpractical against a rare opening like this.

A few minor lines that I have found missing:

A) 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Be2 - this has been played successfully by Jobava with the intention to reach a reversed Philidor after 3...Nf6 4.d3; something I haven´t seen mentioned anywhere in the book and which can also be reached via the Ponziani (see above) if White plays 4.d3 instead of 4.d4.

B) If the Portuguese (2.Bb5) and the Nakamura (2.Qh5) are covered, the Alapin (2.Ne2) certainly deserves a mention too.  Wink

C) In the Four Knights after 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 the move 4.a3 is covered but in the Vienna after 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.a3 is not. This may have some importance because now 3...d5 4.exd5 Nxd5 allows 5.Qh5!? so Black should probably prefer 3...Nc6 followed by ...d5.

D) King´s Gambit: 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e5 Nh5. Now I haven´t seen any coverage of the third most popular move 5.Qe2 in the books by Shaw, Lokander and Ntirlis. It was once used by Keres in a game he lost against Alekhine so I certainly do not claim this to be good for White, but the idea of g2-g4 may not be so easy to deal with otb. At least practical result have been okay for White.


What book does the above post refer to?
  

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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #74 - 02/20/16 at 11:43:54
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Coming back to the actual book. Wink

Overall this is one of the best repertoire books I have ever seen. Of course the choice of lines can always be argued with, but it seems to fit together nicely.

One exception is perhaps the line against the Ponziani 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c3 Nf6 4.d4 Nxe4 5.d5 Bc5!? where Black is supposed to sacrifice two (!) pieces - perhaps a bit unpractical against a rare opening like this.

A few minor lines that I have found missing:

A) 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Be2 - this has been played successfully by Jobava with the intention to reach a reversed Philidor after 3...Nf6 4.d3; something I haven´t seen mentioned anywhere in the book and which can also be reached via the Ponziani (see above) if White plays 4.d3 instead of 4.d4.

B) If the Portuguese (2.Bb5) and the Nakamura (2.Qh5) are covered, the Alapin (2.Ne2) certainly deserves a mention too.  Wink

C) In the Four Knights after 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 the move 4.a3 is covered but in the Vienna after 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.a3 is not. This may have some importance because now 3...d5 4.exd5 Nxd5 allows 5.Qh5!? so Black should probably prefer 3...Nc6 followed by ...d5.

D) King´s Gambit: 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e5 Nh5. Now I haven´t seen any coverage of the third most popular move 5.Qe2 in the books by Shaw, Lokander and Ntirlis. It was once used by Keres in a game he lost against Alekhine so I certainly do not claim this to be good for White, but the idea of g2-g4 may not be so easy to deal with otb. At least practical result have been okay for White.
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #73 - 02/20/16 at 01:47:52
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Please - only discuss Ntirlis' Breyer book here. Take the QGD talk to a new thread in the appropriate forum.
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #72 - 02/19/16 at 21:22:21
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@Methodchess
You are right: 4...Nbd7 gives Black more options against 5.Bf4 in the first place but I also like the idea 5. Bg5 h6 making  6.Bxf6 unattractive. A Repertoire with this move order would be really great. A quick database research showed really interesting games by many renowned Grandmasters.....
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #71 - 02/19/16 at 19:38:53
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Gheng*H*is, is everything alright? Or do you experience some issues with this community? If so, please tell us. Otherwise, it seems you will not stay here for long.
  
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Reply #70 - 02/19/16 at 18:18:00
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #69 - 02/19/16 at 15:24:19
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Ametanoitos wrote on 02/09/16 at 14:42:05:
The "big gain" with the 4...Nbd7 move order though, is that after 5.Bg5 h6! Black avoids those 4...Be7 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bxf6 variations which were for many years a personal favourite of mine (after 4...Nbd7 5.Bg5 h6 the move 6.Bxf6 makes no sense as White wants to lure a bishop to f6 and not a knight!)


In his analysis of Kasimdzhanov-Kramnik Tromso ol (Men) 41st [Uzbekistan-Russia] (6.1) 2014, for ChessBase, Ftacnik gives the following anecdote: "Korchnoi has once remarked, that 4...Nbd7 move is played partly with an idea to take the sting from the Bf4 move. Kasimdzhanov plays it anyway as it has become quite popular in recent years."

I think Kortchnoi is right that this is another benefit of the 4...Nbd7 move-order. Black seems to have more choice against Bf4 via this move-order. There also seems to be a lot of room for innovation as a lot of the lines seem rather undeveloped.
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #68 - 02/18/16 at 18:54:14
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nestor wrote on 02/18/16 at 08:52:15:
In this line, Ntirlis follows a game Goncharov - Tomson, corr. 2012, in which Black retained the dark squared bishop with ...Bc7 (whereas Karjakin allowed it to be exchanged on d6). The line runs 10...Bd6 11. Nc3 Nxd3 12. cxd3 O-O 13. Ne4 Bc7 14. Qc2 c5 15. Qxc5 Ba6 16. Re1 Bxd3 with good enough compensation (1/2 - 1/2, 26).

Alternatives are considered of course, particularly 11. Re1 (following a well-known blitz game Short - Kasparov).

I'm no expert on the Two Knights so I won't presume to comment on the coverage.




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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #67 - 02/18/16 at 08:52:15
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In this line, Ntirlis follows a game Goncharov - Tomson, corr. 2012, in which Black retained the dark squared bishop with ...Bc7 (whereas Karjakin allowed it to be exchanged on d6). The line runs 10...Bd6 11. Nc3 Nxd3 12. cxd3 O-O 13. Ne4 Bc7 14. Qc2 c5 15. Qxc5 Ba6 16. Re1 Bxd3 with good enough compensation (1/2 - 1/2, 26).

Alternatives are considered of course, particularly 11. Re1 (following a well-known blitz game Short - Kasparov).

I'm no expert on the Two Knights so I won't presume to comment on the coverage.
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #66 - 02/18/16 at 04:38:48
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I was out of town and used my laptop which for whatever reason wasn't working right. I couldn't see the game and tried to rework it, and when my attempts failed, fell asleep.

The score actually can be used as a basis for convo because what I really want to know is -- what does the book recommend after 10. 0-0?
  

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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #65 - 02/17/16 at 06:23:46
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Care to comment?
Bare game scores not all that helpful- anyone can see a database.
Shed your light there GC on the darkness of others....
Generally, please be friendly, be constructive. Aim to interact and exchange ideas.
Do try.  If not, try Youtube comments.
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #64 - 02/17/16 at 02:36:45
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #63 - 02/12/16 at 07:03:59
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Yes, yes, enough silliness GC. Better for all to be more constructive and more focused on theory, agreed?
Splendid, agreed.
Back to the chess, back to Nik's book....
  
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