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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #92 - 12/08/17 at 19:09:27
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I like the Ntrilis book better.  I find his explanations and presentation to be clearer than Bologan's.  I agree that both books are excellent, but I tend to use the Ntrilis book as my main book and the Bologan books more for reference.
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #91 - 12/05/17 at 14:47:26
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doefmat wrote on 11/25/17 at 10:16:27:
Now it's almost 2018; is this considered the 'better' repertoire book for club players comparing it with the two tomes from Bologan?


As is always the case when comparing excellent books, it depends. I enjoy Bologan's explanations. His two books seem to be aimed at a broader chess education, and as I hadn't played the Open Games for about 15 years, the extra chapters on strategic motifs as well as the double content made those two tomes immensely helpful and interesting. They made me want to play the Open Games.

Ntirlis, on the other hand, gave a repertoire that was easier to learn and which fitted my need for a narrow-but-deep repertoire, which (I hope) is the way to go for a novice to the Open Games who is, however, slightly above 2200. The transition was meant to be a highly controlled process and I did not want to afford too much friction during the transition, so a narrow repertoire was indeed needed. I'm preparing with Ntirlis' book and I deem it more practical (because shorter but at least as sound), but for pleasure I'm reading Bologan's tomes.
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #90 - 11/25/17 at 10:16:27
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Now it's almost 2018; is this considered the 'better' repertoire book for club players comparing it with the two tomes from Bologan?
  

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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #89 - 03/07/16 at 18:18:50
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The subtitle of the book is ´A Classical Repertoire´ and that is the usual tone in most lines.

A bit more specific:

Tauromachie wrote on 03/07/16 at 16:19:24:
Some questions concerning Ntirlis repertoire:

- In the centre game is he recommending Be7 or Bb4 ?
5...Bb4

- Goring/Danish-Gambit: Accepted or declined (with ..d5; endgame variation) ?
Both!

- Vienna Game 5..Bc5 or 5..Be7 ?
5...Be7

- Four Knights : Something exciting against the Scotch 4 Knights ?
I´m afraid that´s not really possible. Ntirlis recommends the trusted main line.

And what about the Spanish 4 Knights - 4..Bd6 / 4..Nd4 / 4..Bc5 or 4..Bb4 ?
4...Bb4

- 4..Be7 or 4..Bc5 in the Italian two knights with 4.d3 ? What style does he prefer ? opening up quickly with the central break d5 or keeping it more closed with d6 ?
4...Be7 usually combined with ...d6. The reason is the similarity with some lines in the Ruy Lopez.

- 4.d4 exd4 Two Knights : What does Ntirlis give after A) 5.0-0 ; Max Lange starting with Bc5 or the more liable 5..Nxe4 (if so with Qh5 or Qa5 ?) B) 5.e5 -> 5..d5 6.Bb5 Ne4 7.Nxd4 Bc5 or Bd7 / or maybe even 5..Ng4 ??
A) 5...Nxe4 and B) 7...Bc5.

- Mainline 4.Ng5 : How does Ntirlis work compare to the ones of Bologan and Lokander ? Many similarities in the recommended choices or is there enough variety ?
Throughout the book Ntirlis refers to both Bologan´s and Lokander´s work. He often deviates and sometimes gives improvements for White (!) as explanation.

Thanks for any help Smiley
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #88 - 03/07/16 at 16:19:24
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I really enjoyed Ntirlis books on the Tarrasch and the French he wrote together with Aagaard. ..But I am still not completely sure wether I should buy this book or not.. Somebody wants to convince me ? Wink



As I am currently flirting with the Marshall-Gambit (maybe i'll switch to Breyer later on with all this material available currently - Ntirlis, Bologan, Eljanov, Kaufman)  I'm mostly interested in Ntirlis recommended lines against the Ruy-deviations.

Is the author going for the safe and sound, old and reliable, well trusted, tested and analyzed lines against these ? (for example 5..Nd4 against the Spanish 4 Knights or the Endgame-Mainline of the Scotch 4 Knights) , or is Ntirlis trying to get some more excitement going in offering less popular / known variations ? (like Martin Lokander did in his recent work)

Some questions concerning Ntirlis repertoire:

- In the centre game is he recommending Be7 or Bb4 ?

- Goring/Danish-Gambit: Accepted or declined (with ..d5; endgame variation) ?

- Vienna Game 5..Bc5 or 5..Be7 ?

- Four Knights : Something exciting against the Scotch 4 Knights ? And what about the Spanish 4 Knights - 4..Bd6 / 4..Nd4 / 4..Bc5 or 4..Bb4 ?

- 4..Be7 or 4..Bc5 in the Italian two knights with 4.d3 ? What style does he prefer ? opening up quickly with the central break d5 or keeping it more closed with d6 ?

- 4.d4 exd4 Two Knights : What does Ntirlis give after A) 5.0-0 ; Max Lange starting with Bc5 or the more liable 5..Nxe4 (if so with Qh5 or Qa5 ?) B) 5.e5 -> 5..d5 6.Bb5 Ne4 7.Nxd4 Bc5 or Bd7 / or maybe even 5..Ng4 ??

- Mainline 4.Ng5 : How does Ntirlis work compare to the ones of Bologan and Lokander ? Many similarities in the recommended choices or is there enough variety ?

Thanks for any help Smiley

  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #87 - 03/03/16 at 15:24:59
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But my question as I´m not yet there:
Does something change so drastically in the Scotch? I played it some time ago (with dembo´s book and the negi DVD) and the line with Nb6, Qe6 and Bb4 never looked really promising to me


It promises Black a draw it seems  Wink
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #86 - 03/03/16 at 09:07:03
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Normally I play 1.c5 and am really booked up but some time ago I got the feeling I could improve my chess when I would also start playing 1.e5 but there were no good (new) books on the market. This changed and I started reading Bologan´s book but somehow got stuck.

Yesterday I got your book and read it whole day and night! I simply love it and especially your recommendations!!! Cheesy

The minor lines are interesting and of course I was interested to play the Breyer so happy to see it here.

But my question as I´m not yet there:
Does something change so drastically in the Scotch? I played it some time ago (with dembo´s book and the negi DVD) and the line with Nb6, Qe6 and Bb4 never looked really promising to me

Very curious to find out your improvements..
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #85 - 02/27/16 at 09:40:25
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TopNotch wrote on 02/23/16 at 21:18:34:
dfan wrote on 02/23/16 at 00:17:35:
After 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Qf3 Ntirlis suggests 8...Be7.

Ntirlis has a long section about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Bd3 Nd5 9.h4 and suggests 9...Qc7.


Thanks for your responses, they have been very helpful.

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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #84 - 02/23/16 at 21:18:34
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dfan wrote on 02/23/16 at 00:17:35:
After 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Qf3 Ntirlis suggests 8...Be7.

Ntirlis has a long section about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Bd3 Nd5 9.h4 and suggests 9...Qc7.


Thanks for your responses, they have been very helpful.

Regards,

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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #83 - 02/23/16 at 00:17:35
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After 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Qf3 Ntirlis suggests 8...Be7.

Ntirlis has a long section about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Bd3 Nd5 9.h4 and suggests 9...Qc7.
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #82 - 02/22/16 at 23:59:24
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dfan wrote on 02/22/16 at 01:58:30:
There is a fair amount of overlap. Is there a specific line you are curious about?


I like Lokander's coverage of the Two Knights Defence a lot, and was wondering if Playing 1.e4 e5 - A Classical Repertoire compares favourably, for example Lokander advocates the following lines:

  • 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Qf3 Rb8 9.Bd3 Bd6


  • 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Na5 6.Bb5+ c6 7.dxc6 bxc6 8.Bd3 Nd5 9.h4 Bc5!?


Do the recommendations overlap here as well.

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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #81 - 02/22/16 at 01:58:30
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There is a fair amount of overlap. Is there a specific line you are curious about?
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #80 - 02/22/16 at 00:58:19
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dfan wrote on 02/22/16 at 00:45:00:
Lokander and Ntirlis both advocate 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c3 Nf6 4.d4 Nxe4 5.d5 Bc5.


Is there a lot of overlap between the two books, in particular The Two Knight's Defence recommendations?
  

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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #79 - 02/22/16 at 00:45:00
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Lokander and Ntirlis both advocate 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c3 Nf6 4.d4 Nxe4 5.d5 Bc5.
  
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Re: New Breyer book
Reply #78 - 02/21/16 at 23:59:21
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TopNotch wrote on 02/20/16 at 19:15:00:
Fllg wrote on 02/20/16 at 11:43:54:
Coming back to the actual book. Wink

Overall this is one of the best repertoire books I have ever seen. Of course the choice of lines can always be argued with, but it seems to fit together nicely.

One exception is perhaps the line against the Ponziani 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c3 Nf6 4.d4 Nxe4 5.d5 Bc5!? where Black is supposed to sacrifice two (!) pieces - perhaps a bit unpractical against a rare opening like this.

A few minor lines that I have found missing:

A) 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Be2 - this has been played successfully by Jobava with the intention to reach a reversed Philidor after 3...Nf6 4.d3; something I haven´t seen mentioned anywhere in the book and which can also be reached via the Ponziani (see above) if White plays 4.d3 instead of 4.d4.

B) If the Portuguese (2.Bb5) and the Nakamura (2.Qh5) are covered, the Alapin (2.Ne2) certainly deserves a mention too.  Wink

C) In the Four Knights after 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 Nf6 the move 4.a3 is covered but in the Vienna after 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.a3 is not. This may have some importance because now 3...d5 4.exd5 Nxd5 allows 5.Qh5!? so Black should probably prefer 3...Nc6 followed by ...d5.

D) King´s Gambit: 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e5 Nh5. Now I haven´t seen any coverage of the third most popular move 5.Qe2 in the books by Shaw, Lokander and Ntirlis. It was once used by Keres in a game he lost against Alekhine so I certainly do not claim this to be good for White, but the idea of g2-g4 may not be so easy to deal with otb. At least practical result have been okay for White.


What book does the above post refer to?


I suppose I should have explained myself a bit better. To the best of my knowledge the following quoted line:

"One exception is perhaps the line against the Ponziani 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c3 Nf6 4.d4 Nxe4 5.d5 Bc5!? where Black is supposed to sacrifice two (!) pieces - perhaps a bit unpractical against a rare opening like this."

is advocated by Martin Lokander in his book The Open Games with Black . Does the material in Lokander's work overlap with Playing 1.e4 e5 - A Classical Repertoire or vice versa?

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