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Re: 9.Ne1 classical kings indian / Mar del Plata
Reply #8 - 09/29/16 at 16:40:19
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Wasn't the Kozul gambit supposed to be the test?
  
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Re: 9.Ne1 classical kings indian / Mar del Plata
Reply #7 - 08/30/15 at 17:38:30
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I didn't notice that, thanks for pointing it out!  Wink
  
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Re: 9.Ne1 classical kings indian / Mar del Plata
Reply #6 - 08/30/15 at 17:24:05
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TonyRo wrote on 08/29/15 at 21:48:46:
3. White can play Rg1, and even possibly g3.


hmm, White executes that immediately (after 16. Kh1) in the KID update of a couple of days ago.
  
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Re: 9.Ne1 classical kings indian / Mar del Plata
Reply #5 - 08/29/15 at 22:18:42
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16. Kh1 was given in the first edition of ECO (1978), but thought to be not good   Smiley
  
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Re: 9.Ne1 classical kings indian / Mar del Plata
Reply #4 - 08/29/15 at 21:48:46
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I have encountered Kh1 ideas in many variations of the Be3 MDP (once in a correspondence game), and you're right that it is a typical engine move. As I was analyzing the correspondence, I found all of these small little points:

1. There are no tricks along the a7-g1 diagonal.
2. White has Bg1 defensive ideas available, even meeting ...g3 with Bg1.
3. White can play Rg1, and even possibly g3.
4. Taking time out for a prophylactic move can sometimes force Black to show his intentions or make a move he didn't want to make without some commitment from White, e.g. the typical tension between Nb5 and ...g5 - White wants to play Nb5 quickly to generate kingside play, but it undefends the e-pawn and frequently allows ...g5-g4 without the preparatory ...h5. But waiting a move might force Black to commit to ...h5 anyway for lack of a better alternative.

I'm not sure it's actually better than an active move for White, but eventually I came to at least moderately respect the idea of Kh1 in the Be3 MDP, even if I ended up obtaining a winning position in my game.

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Re: 9.Ne1 classical kings indian / Mar del Plata
Reply #3 - 08/29/15 at 21:13:43
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So-Nakamura
wonderful to see a Mar del Plata played at top level (although I'm afraid this will make this line even less popular for white)

although I have no idea what's the point of 16.Kh1, looks like a typical engine move to me, but I suppose there is some point...
  
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Re: 9.Ne1 classical kings indian / Mar del Plata
Reply #2 - 07/29/15 at 18:53:03
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Yes I think this is a great reference point for either color. But Kotronias is writing it maily for black so doesnt really recommend anything for the white players. I have a hard time believeing the best book or video on the subject is the kings indian uncovered from everyman??? This is a huge main line are there other works with Ne1 if any for white ???
  
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Re: 9.Ne1 classical kings indian / Mar del Plata
Reply #1 - 07/29/15 at 17:30:45
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Kotronias's new KID book, although it's a repertoire for Black.
  

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9.Ne1 classical kings indian / Mar del Plata
07/29/15 at 16:06:51
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I don't know if this has been asked before but what is the best reference for the white side of the Ne1 classical kings indian lines? I almost got the new marin chessbase work and found out he recommends Nd2 in the classical. Any help would be appreciated. Smiley
  
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