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Re: Grob's Opening 1 g4
Reply #11 - 10/23/15 at 07:55:26
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Gambit wrote on 10/22/15 at 03:20:01:
The opening is playable, as long as you know exactly how to play it!

1 g4 e5 2 h3 Bc5 3 e3 Nf6 4 Nf3 seems okay.

This is funny. You appear to be saying that if all you have is something that "seems okay", then it isn't playable  Cheesy
  
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Re: Grob's Opening 1 g4
Reply #10 - 10/22/15 at 22:50:47
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TonyRo wrote on 10/22/15 at 19:43:07:
Gambit wrote on 10/22/15 at 03:20:01:
1 g4 e5 2 h3 Bc5 3 e3 Nf6 4 Nf3 seems okay.

Perhaps, but isn't 2...Bc5 kind of lame? White scores absolutely awfully after 2...d5! 3.Bg2 h5! or 3.d3 (intending 3...h5 4.g5 I guess) 3...Nc6 4.Bg2 h5! 5.g5 Nge7, etc. Black just plays ...Be6, ...Qd7, ...Ng6, ...O-O-O, and there's little to compensate White for his lack of space and kingside weaknesses. Just look at the position after move 2 - why do you want h3 and g4 instead of e5 and d5? It simply doesn't make any sense.


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Re: Grob's Opening 1 g4
Reply #9 - 10/22/15 at 19:43:07
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Gambit wrote on 10/22/15 at 03:20:01:
1 g4 e5 2 h3 Bc5 3 e3 Nf6 4 Nf3 seems okay.

Perhaps, but isn't 2...Bc5 kind of lame? White scores absolutely awfully after 2...d5! 3.Bg2 h5! or 3.d3 (intending 3...h5 4.g5 I guess) 3...Nc6 4.Bg2 h5! 5.g5 Nge7, etc. Black just plays ...Be6, ...Qd7, ...Ng6, ...O-O-O, and there's little to compensate White for his lack of space and kingside weaknesses. Just look at the position after move 2 - why do you want h3 and g4 instead of e5 and d5? It simply doesn't make any sense.
  
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Re: Grob's Opening 1 g4
Reply #8 - 10/22/15 at 03:20:01
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I played the Grob a lot in the 1990s, as 1 g4 e5 and 1 e4 g5. Still have the old game scores in a folder. The opening is playable, as long as you know exactly how to play it!

1 g4 e5 2 h3 Bc5 3 e3 Nf6 4 Nf3 seems okay.
  
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Re: Grob's Opening 1 g4
Reply #7 - 09/03/15 at 21:14:29
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I had Claude Bloodgood's book on the Grob, and played it many moons ago (along with 1. ...a6 as Black) with a 3/3 score  Shocked

Two of my opponents fell for the trap where after d5 and taking on g4 and some exchanges dropped the Bishop to a Qa4+

I concluded myself not to play d5, and instead go 1. g4 e5 and follow up with Bc5 and Ng8-e7-g6 so my Knight is pressurising the squares weakened by White's first move, and indeed won with this plan v.s the Grob, to 4/4 in my Grob chess career history  Cool
  

Those who want to go by my perverse footsteps play such pawn structure with fuzzy atypical still strategic orientations

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Re: Grob's Opening 1 g4
Reply #6 - 08/30/15 at 19:42:29
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Stigma wrote on 08/30/15 at 14:56:19:
@Vass:
That looks like a fun line, and maybe annoying for White. Do you believe in it for more than blitz?

It's not a blitz - it's correspondence chess on 10 moves / 10 days time control.
And yes, I believe this line is perfect for OTB chess, too..  Wink
  
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Re: Grob's Opening 1 g4
Reply #5 - 08/30/15 at 15:30:06
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Incidentally that is one of the old book possibilities; 2...h5 has been given as "!" in ECO, going back to the first edition in which the section was written by Larsen.  However the 2001 edition claimed the position after 6. d3 in Vass's second game to be equal, maybe stemming from Informant notes to a game Skembris-Mariotti.
  
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Re: Grob's Opening 1 g4
Reply #4 - 08/30/15 at 14:56:19
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@Vass:
That looks like a fun line, and maybe annoying for White. Do you believe in it for more than blitz?
  

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Re: Grob's Opening 1 g4
Reply #3 - 08/30/15 at 08:15:33
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Re: Grob's Opening 1 g4
Reply #2 - 08/30/15 at 08:11:10
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Re: Grob's Opening 1 g4
Reply #1 - 08/29/15 at 23:33:26
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I notice that the recent Watson/Schiller book (Taming Wild Chess Openings) likes 1...d5 2. h3 (2. Bg2 Bxg4 3. c4 c6) e5 3. Bg2 Nc6 ("a simple and easy-to-play line emphasizing development").  You can take a look via Amazon.
  
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Grob's Opening 1 g4
08/29/15 at 22:56:49
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I'm not sure whether calling this a Flank Opening is a correct description, but there aren't any threads.

Normally it wouldn't matter, but if you are facing Basman on Sunday morning with Black, some ideas and suggestions might be useful.
  
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