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Re: Ruy Lopez Breyer Variation (PC-DVD) by Pavel Eljan
Reply #14 - 11/08/15 at 18:44:00
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I was initially disappointed too, but I got used to Eljanov's spoken English and presentation style after a while; probably another 5 on the suggested scale. Now I'd say the insights of so strong a player outweigh the shortcomings of the delivery.
  
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Reply #13 - 11/08/15 at 14:16:58
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Pindering buying.
How bad is 'bad' for Eljanov's English and overall delivery? Interested in the system, would like to learn from a strong player, but, well, y'know.
For me, I did not mind Bologan, found Tiviakov fine, but really struggled with Marin's repetitive 'er' - just too annoying on the Classical DVD. Grrrrr.
On the 1-10 scale which has 1 being incomprehensible, deeply grating, nails on blackboard, and 10/10 Gazza's notes delivered by Patrick Stewart, how do you rate it...?
As examples, Dzinzi would be 1.5, Yermo = 2.5, Bologan = 5, Tiv = 5, Svidler = 8.5...

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Re: Ruy Lopez Breyer Variation (PC-DVD) by Pavel Eljan
Reply #12 - 09/16/15 at 14:23:30
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Hmm, maybe I'll need to hit my Gustafsson Marshall DVD again  Smiley
  

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Re: Ruy Lopez Breyer Variation (PC-DVD) by Pavel Eljan
Reply #11 - 09/16/15 at 05:53:35
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Agree about the extremely poor quality of the english which is a major negative. There is also a disconnect between the database-which contains some well known Breyer games- and the recommendations in the DVD- although at least there is a database with many annotated games. Its a shame about the english because I imagine the author really knows his stuff.  I spotted a couple interesting ideas in the old main lines. Would have been a lot better if the author provided the content and someone else did the presentation.
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez Breyer Variation (PC-DVD) by Pavel Eljan
Reply #10 - 09/15/15 at 21:35:38
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good feedback, I like the Breyer but not keen on buying one of these chessbase rope you in to their software package things. If it was a more universal product I'd seriously consider it, but apart from that the early feedback doesn¡t seem good.
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez Breyer Variation (PC-DVD) by Pavel Eljan
Reply #9 - 09/15/15 at 12:40:09
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LostTactic wrote on 09/14/15 at 22:42:33:
I would just add that I personally don't mind if a presenter has a boring style, although, ofc I would prefer someone with a more entertaining one.

Bologan for example I sometimes find quite dry, but his command of the English language is excellent, and he gives good explanations of what you should be aiming to do at the end of a line he presents, I particularly like that at the end of each clip he summarises what's been taught in the clip, this is a nice way to finish a clip imo and I wish more presenters would adopt it.

Tiviakov is another presenter I sometimes find a bit dull but his command of the English language is sufficient to get across what's happening.

In this DVD Pavel's lack English fluency is at the level where the flow of the clip breaks down, as a viewer I don't want to be exerting effort in trying to understand what words the presenter is trying to convey, I'd rather be concentrating on understanding what he's telling me about the position.

I am interested to see what others have to say, as I may be completely wrong and wouldn't want to put people off buying it if that is the case.



I agree to your comment. I listened to the sample and was surprised about Eljanov's poor english skills. It seems, chessbase relied on the fact, that a 2700+ player offers his lines and recommendations and didn't focus on an appealing presentation.
  

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Re: Ruy Lopez Breyer Variation (PC-DVD) by Pavel Eljan
Reply #8 - 09/14/15 at 22:42:33
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I would just add that I personally don't mind if a presenter has a boring style, although, ofc I would prefer someone with a more entertaining one.

Bologan for example I sometimes find quite dry, but his command of the English language is excellent, and he gives good explanations of what you should be aiming to do at the end of a line he presents, I particularly like that at the end of each clip he summarises what's been taught in the clip, this is a nice way to finish a clip imo and I wish more presenters would adopt it.

Tiviakov is another presenter I sometimes find a bit dull but his command of the English language is sufficient to get across what's happening.

In this DVD Pavel's lack English fluency is at the level where the flow of the clip breaks down, as a viewer I don't want to be exerting effort in trying to understand what words the presenter is trying to convey, I'd rather be concentrating on understanding what he's telling me about the position.

I am interested to see what others have to say, as I may be completely wrong and wouldn't want to put people off buying it if that is the case.
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez Breyer Variation (PC-DVD) by Pavel Eljan
Reply #7 - 09/14/15 at 22:15:20
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Regarding the presentation, just watching part of the sample clip gave me the feeling that I wouldn't want to watch hours of that.
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez Breyer Variation (PC-DVD) by Pavel Eljan
Reply #6 - 09/14/15 at 20:37:38
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I have nearly finished the DVD, and I must say that I have found it disappointing, mainly due to poor presentation on Pavel's behalf. 

Firstly, Pavel has a limited grasp of the English language, therefore he struggles throughout the DVD explaining coherently what's happening on the board. Secondly, it's clear that some video segments that ran close to 40mins in length, would have been closer to 20mins with a presenter that had a better grasp of English. Thirdly there are too many occasions where he leaves you with a position and says; "black is fine" or the "position is equal" with limited or no discussion of ideas or plans.

As this is Pavel's first DVD I might be being over critical, however, I really think this DVD is below the standards a reasonable person would expect. I remember reading somewhere in the past that ChessBase ignore, or simply don't reply to emails asking for refunds, so I probably won't bother trying that, I just mention it because I do feel cheated in having paid for this.
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez Breyer Variation (PC-DVD) by Pavel Eljan
Reply #5 - 09/10/15 at 22:43:54
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OMG another chessbase DVD - should we be charging them for this?
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez Breyer Variation (PC-DVD) by Pavel Eljan
Reply #4 - 09/10/15 at 10:31:22
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For anyone interested this is an overview pic of what's covered: http://postimg.org/image/6vyewor0x/full/
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez Breyer Variation (PC-DVD) by Pavel Eljan
Reply #3 - 09/10/15 at 10:06:24
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Wow, this one came out of the blue. One of my favourite players as well to follow for the following openings: Caro-Kann, a6 Slav, Taimanov Sicilian, Semi-Slav, Berlin and Breyer ofc.

Well done to ChessBase to get an SGM to do a DVD on an opening that's a part of their competitive repertoire too. Hopefully it will sell well and he'll make more opening DVD's.
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez Breyer Variation (PC-DVD) by Pavel Eljan
Reply #2 - 09/10/15 at 09:38:14
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RdC wrote on 09/10/15 at 09:08:03:
Players use d3 as a means of avoiding the Berlin and the Marshall. With less pressure on the centre, playing Nb8 as part of the defence could work well, as seen in various recent encounters. It was Anand v So, I think, where So played Nb8, Anand went Ng5 and So returned the Knight to c6.


Yes, I don't know if this DVD will cover the d3 malarkey, but if there is a link with a Nb8 plan against it, maybe. 

I would expect the Mainline only considering the limited coverage available in this media, but not seen any more info at the moment.
  

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Re: Ruy Lopez Breyer Variation (PC-DVD) by Pavel Eljan
Reply #1 - 09/10/15 at 09:08:03
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JEH wrote on 09/10/15 at 08:59:17:

Maybe I should play the Berlin or the Marshall, but, well, you know 


I never really understood why White suddenly varied from normal ideas and played c4. Having played the position as White, perhaps White doesn't get anywhere with the usual Nd2-f1-g3 idea.

Players use d3 as a means of avoiding the Berlin and the Marshall. With less pressure on the centre, playing Nb8 as part of the defence could work well, as seen in various recent encounters. It was Anand v So, I think, where So played Nb8, Anand went Ng5 and So returned the Knight to c6.
  
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Ruy Lopez Breyer Variation (PC-DVD) by Pavel Eljan
09/10/15 at 08:59:17
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Hmm, I seriously think Chessbase has been reading my mind. They must know I've been flubbing about my choice of defence to the Ruy Lopez. Maybe I should play the Berlin or the Marshall, but, well, you know  Roll Eyes

My mind wants to play the Breyer. Too many decades to reveal ago, as a teen, my only chess books were what I got as presents, or what was in my Library. Tucked in the latter's collection was this scary looking, hard-backed, hard-nosed book on this thing called the Breyer variation of the Ruy Lopez defence. I knew some of the wizards at my chess club played this strange Knight retreat, but I could never understand it. However, I think the call has always been there. 

I'm really hoping that Bologan's upcoming book will cover the Breyer. Then, with this DVD to get me into the swing, a mystery of my childhood might at last be solved  Smiley
  

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