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Re: Vicious move order trick
Reply #5 - 07/17/18 at 09:20:42
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RdC wrote on 10/08/15 at 13:30:59:
You would get the same position if Black had played a more normal 6. .. Nf6 and then met 7. Qe2 with a Nbd7 blunder.


The same trick is also possible in a line where White plays d3 instead of d4.

This was the start of a game at the Telford Congress last weekend.

1.e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qa5 4. Bc4 Nf6 5. d3 Bf5 6. Bd2 c6 7. Qe2 Nbd7 8. Nb5
  
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Re: Vicious move order trick
Reply #4 - 10/08/15 at 13:30:59
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MartinC wrote on 10/07/15 at 19:17:25:
6 .. Nbd7 is the first actively odd move


You would get the same position if Black had played a more normal 6. .. Nf6 and then met 7. Qe2 with a Nbd7 blunder.

It is the normal structure in those positions that you get pawns on c6 and e6, Knights on f6 and d7 and if the Queen retreats, it goes back to c7, with the Bishop on d6 if Bb4xc3 isn't played. The evidence of the Adams game is that not every move order works.
  
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Re: Vicious move order trick
Reply #3 - 10/08/15 at 09:27:14
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Nice word Smiley
  
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Re: Vicious move order trick
Reply #2 - 10/07/15 at 20:02:45
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I noticed that game, and how Merry (a young FM) apparently couldn't bring himself to resign for some time.

Around a decade ago, Eric Prié did five Yearbook articles on various versions of "Königsspringerzurückhaltungspolitik" (the policy of holding back the king's knight) in the Scandinavian, but I have the impression that that particular blunder didn't get a mention.
  
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Re: Vicious move order trick
Reply #1 - 10/07/15 at 19:17:25
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More black move ordering himself really Smiley

Delaying Nf3 isn't quite the main line for white but it is well established.

6 .. Nbd7 is the first actively odd move, but even 5.. Bf5 isn't automatic - they often go 5..Nf6 instead allows for some (exceedingly sharp) Bg4 ideas after Bd2.
  
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Vicious move order trick
10/07/15 at 18:22:38
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In today's game against Merry, Mickey Adams demonstrated a tricky move order against a Qxd5, Qa5 Scandinavian and effectively won on the eighth move.



At move 10, you can win with either Nxf5 or Nxf7+.
8. .. Qd8 would have allowed Nd6 mate.

It's been played before, so not original, but does it make the theory books as a warning of what can go wrong when you least expect it?
  
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