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Re: old indian hanham variation
Reply #25 - 12/10/15 at 07:28:00
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Michael Ayton, did you receive Novelties in the Old Indian yet?
  
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Re: old indian hanham variation
Reply #24 - 12/05/15 at 11:17:39
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The last post for now...

Old Indians suddenly have two new sources at hand.

The other book is "The Old Indian Move by Move" by Junior Tay published by everyman.
That too is hafty package of some 500 pages. And it got good reviews and a thread here too
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1446556224
but not a frequently visitid one...
It would be a task to compare the booth books... One should tackle the task variation by variation which is not so easy as Move by Move-book do not pronounce the 2.1.2.3.1-style that ist used by Bannerjee...

In the Classical with 8.b4!? (or ?!) Bannerjee gives 8...d5! as his main line quoting Martin -Morrison, 1990, and giving 8...exd4 (Uhlmann - Espig, 1995) as a sideline.
Tay makes it the other way round...
  

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Reply #23 - 12/05/15 at 10:54:34
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MM0621 wrote on 11/05/15 at 16:28:29:
I never heard of the author. How can we find his rating?



That's what wonders me too. And it provokes me to some thoughts.
There are two obvious indications that the author is an Indian: the mere sound of his name and the fact, that he dedicates the book to the Indian GM Mir Sultan Khan.
But there are at severe indications that the author is a German: He publishes with a german based publishing house (and a totally unknown newbie in the business at that). Her uses a load of german books and magazines as references. And not too well known at that, e.g. the magazine Kaissiber, that you surely won't get the easy way in India. He even has a dutch language source, De leeuw, het zwarte wappen (van Reekom/Jansen), in his references , which may be easy to get in Germany but surely difficult in India.
And there are some translation hints on the german speaking nature of the author (e.g. unexplanably he uses the very unusal word "figure" for "piece" [as it is used in all normal english chess books], deriving from the german word "Figur", I think.)

I think that there is some logic that the author ist of second or even lesser rank regarding the rating and title. Would he be a titled player it would be normal that he would have gone to one of the usual thematic publishing houses to offer his manuscript. As there should be interest in the topic Old Indian Defence as there are or better were no special books at all about this defence. The more: The interest is for sure, as publisher everyman has shown with its recently published Old Indian Move by Move (so now OI fans - do those exist?! - now at once have two new books on the OI).

Only an unknown player with no credit to his name would have choosen the way to this unknown publishing house (where in fact he self is responsible for the content as epublishi surely has no lector or editor dedicated to chess).   

And he did a good job as my first impression signals - look for the sample to judge yourself.)

But, given the asumption that Bannerjee is a pseudonym, who is he? This will be the search for the needle in the hay.

When browsing through the book I more the once came across the name Syed. I have no actual data base but only the internet as a source. Searching for a chess player called Syed leads to Tarek Syed from Frankfurt (and now perhaps Karlsruhe) with an ELO of only 2056...
Looking through his games shows that he is a real devotee to OI-themes with both colours. An with white he plays the half open games in the big clamp style given by van Reekom/Jansen in De Witte Leeuw...

But, okay, that is reading coffee grounds...

Could a 2056-player explain the depth of a complex opening like the OI? ...

I have no clue but my gut feeling yells out at least that Bannerjee is a pseudonym. Simply because you need experience to explain the subtlties of the OI. So you need someone who theorized and practized on it. And in our time that would leave traces in the internet. And and there are no traces to a Mr. Bannerjee...
  

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Reply #22 - 12/05/15 at 09:18:32
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Gut Gambit wrote on 11/22/15 at 00:35:06:
Here is a little taster from the book. 

[Event "Bundesliga"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2014.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Farago"]
[Black "Appel"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A55"]
[PlyCount "94"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 d6 3. Nc3 c6 4. e4 e5 5. Nf3 Nbd7 6. Be2 Be7 7. O-O O-O 8. Be3
a6 9. d5 c5  [...]

I picked this sample ( 8.Be3) because of the Khalifman repertoaire mentioned in another thread. The author ( whoever he is!) gives three solutions; 8...a6., 8...Ng4 followed by 9...Qe8 as mentioned by Kylemeister, and also 8...Qc7.

I think an ordinary club player ( also master class) would really benefit from studying this book.

If its really kind of special its too early to say.. But I`ll be back...
GG


I browsed through the book the last days. And it is really extraordernarilly thoughtful - even if you compare it to better products of reknowned publishers.
Okay, the layout is, well, improvable.
And the cover... I wondered how such a rubbish could get through. Every dilletantic photograph of a board with a normal OI-position in action would have served better. But that's matter of taste and it is a proof for the saying "don't judge a book by its cover."...

Back to the content: The book has great depth regarding the main lines (classical with 8.Re1, 8.Qc2, 8.Rb1 etc.; white fianchetto variations; white Sämisch style; misc.).
The explanations a very, very thoughtful and clear. And the author gives a great deal of attention to move orders and explains aspects of them. That is great in so far as one as an OI-player is to high degree inclined to some sort of auto pilot play just throwing out the pattern moves like a7-a6 and b7-b5 if one has no clear grip to the exact position on the board. But to my experience exactly this leads all to often to cramped positions without prospects.

Critical point: The variation 8.Be3 in the classical is dealt with on quite a few pages - but nevertheless a bit superficial. I'm not totally convinced with it. Excatly this chapter misses the clear structure the other chapters own e.g. the author after 8...a6 9.d5 doesn't touch on 9...cxd5 entirely (which, because it is the mainline of normal theory, would be interesting even if he comes to the conclusion that this approach isn't usefull for black). But he gives new insights nevertheless.
And as an OI devotee one has to admit that the 8.Be3 approach  is surprisingly difficult to deal with...
  

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Re: old indian hanham variation
Reply #21 - 12/05/15 at 08:36:45
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Michael Ayton wrote on 12/03/15 at 19:33:45:
A dark warning (hope it's no more than that) from NE England! On the strength of the online sample, I ordered this book from epubli, via Amazon. I ordered on 9 November; I was given a delivery time of 16-26 November and payment was deducted on 11 November. And you've guessed it -- so far, no book. I wrote to Amazon today to enquire -- no reply yet, but I'll post again as soon as I get one ...



I ordered it too for the same reason. I am from Germany and the delivery took quite some time (nearly 20 days). So as you are from Northern England it may last even longer. It is Christmas time an your parcel is one in a few million a day.

So I hope you will get it soon.
  

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Re: old indian hanham variation
Reply #20 - 12/03/15 at 19:33:45
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A dark warning (hope it's no more than that) from NE England! On the strength of the online sample, I ordered this book from epubli, via Amazon. I ordered on 9 November; I was given a delivery time of 16-26 November and payment was deducted on 11 November. And you've guessed it -- so far, no book. I wrote to Amazon today to enquire -- no reply yet, but I'll post again as soon as I get one ...
  
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Reply #19 - 11/25/15 at 17:03:47
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Incidentally the .pdf sample mentions a game with ...Qe8, Bd8 I recall from way back -- Lindsay-Fritzinger.  Black won via a sacrificial attack, but I gather it was probably unsound.
  
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Reply #18 - 11/25/15 at 16:21:01
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Thanks for the explication. This ...Qe8, Bd8 try seems to be the latest attempt to breath life into the Old Indian; I seem to remember it being written up as such in NIC magazine in the SOS column.

Of course, one must remain open-minded, but the manoeuvre looks quite contrived, so I would be surprised if it has lasting value beyond the capacity to surprise.
  

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Reply #17 - 11/24/15 at 18:27:44
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Here is another sample from this book. The words and variations are the authors, except of course the comment on the Gelfand-Morozevich game.

   

His third option, 8...Qc7 quickly results in an invitation of repeting moves as far as I can see ( a draw with black isnt always bad) . So probably this is the most dynamic against Khalifmans chosen variation 8.Be3 in this book.

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Reply #16 - 11/24/15 at 14:49:00
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Gut Gambit wrote on 11/24/15 at 10:37:03:
Yes, this is a Czech-Benoni a tempo down. But I dont think its a Czech-Main Line with the bishops on e2 and e3. As you say, black has avioded other critical responses and variations. The cost is a tempo.


It's basically a Nf3 / Be2 'Classical line' (don't know if it is thus-named, but it seems as good as any other) where White has used his extra tempo to play Be3. Not the end of the world, perhaps, but I'd definitely be interested in the alternatives instead.
  

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Reply #15 - 11/24/15 at 10:37:03
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Yes, this is a Czech-Benoni a tempo down. But I dont think its a Czech-Main Line with the bishops on e2 and e3. As you say, black has avioded other critical responses and variations. The cost is a tempo.

The Czech-Benoni is supposed to be slightly cramped, but rather solid, or? Maybe not fun. And the Petrosian game given above underlines your point  Smiley  (although I think he could saved it) .

I will be back with variation B)   8.Be3-Ng4 9.Bd2-Qe8!? soon. Maybe there is more action there...

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Reply #14 - 11/23/15 at 13:23:58
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Gut Gambit wrote on 11/22/15 at 00:35:06:
Here is a little taster from the book. 




I picked this sample ( 8.Be3) because of the Khalifman repertoaire mentioned in another thread. The author ( whoever he is!) gives three solutions; 8...a6., 8...Ng4 followed by 9...Qe8 as mentioned by Kylemeister, and also 8...Qc7.



The position after 9..c5 is just a Czech Benoni a tempo down, isn't it (the c-pawn having taken two moves to reach c5)? OK, tempi tend to get thrown around with abandon in the Czech Benoni, but at the same time, it's hard to get excited about this, no? You can argue you've avoided White's most critical tries against the Czech Benoni, but still, a Czech Benoni main line a tempo down probably won't set the pulse racing. Or is there some sublety I'm missing?
  

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Reply #13 - 11/22/15 at 01:55:05
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Reminds me of this oldie:


  
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Here is a little taster from the book. 




I picked this sample ( 8.Be3) because of the Khalifman repertoaire mentioned in another thread. The author ( whoever he is!) gives three solutions; 8...a6., 8...Ng4 followed by 9...Qe8 as mentioned by Kylemeister, and also 8...Qc7.

I think an ordinary club player ( also master class) would really benefit from studying this book.

If its really kind of special its too early to say.. But I`ll be back...

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Re: old indian hanham variation
Reply #11 - 11/20/15 at 21:20:06
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I got my copy of "Novelties in the Old Indian defence" some days ago. It seems like a (very) good book in contents, but a little poor in layout, as I mentioned in the thread. Also, finding your way in this book when it comes to which variation on which pages is up to oneself to take notes and fill in.

But still.  What I have seen of it ( I only used to be a 2150) the author is very .. PROPER. Knows his stuff. Wonder who the author is, by the way.

I get the kind of Gallagher -feeling when writing about the KID. This seems like a book of love for Old Indian, and thanks MM0621 for spotting it!  Smiley

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