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Re: Open sicilian with Bc4
Reply #8 - 01/05/17 at 09:55:15
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I understood kylemeister to be saying that White must be happy with the 0-0 line in the Sozin (recommended by Amanov and Kavutskiy) in order to play 6.Bc4 e6 7.0-0 against the Najdorf, because Black can transpose into that Sozin line - not that White can force the transposition even if Black doesn't want it.
  
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Re: Open sicilian with Bc4
Reply #7 - 01/04/17 at 11:20:28
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Straggler wrote on 12/10/15 at 13:16:48:
kylemeister wrote on 11/05/15 at 23:34:53:
"Modernized:  The Open Sicilian" advocated the Sozin against the Classical, with the old short-castling main line.  One thing to note is that if White is happy with that, he can play 7. 0-0 instead of 7. Bb3 in the Najdorf version (still allowing the ...b5 line, but devaluing ...Nbd7, which is perhaps more challenging).

I'm grateful to kylemeister for that suggestion, as I have the book and don't have much confidence in the recommendation of 6.h3 against the Najdorf. 6.Bc4 looks much more fun, especially if it can transpose into a line that Amanov and Kavutskiy do recommend.

In the Classical, the book's recommendation after 6.Bc4 Qb6 7.Nb3 e6 is 8.Bf4. GM Kosten, in his (excellent!) ebook, says that this move "became popular after being recommended in one of the Beating the Sicilian books". This puzzles me, since all three editions of that book recommend the Rauzer, not the Sozin. Is there a transposition to this position from some other variation, or was GM Kosten just misremembering?


I don't understand. I fblack plays 5.-a6 6.Bc4 e6 7.0-0 b5 8.Bb3 Be7  I see no way for white to transpose to the lines of "Modernized:  The Open Sicilian".
  

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Re: Open sicilian with Bc4
Reply #6 - 01/03/17 at 14:49:26
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I analyzed the Fischer-Sosin-Variation with the 13.Nf5 idea by Velimirovic and here is my nice refutation of the classical sicilian: Wink

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bc4 e6 7. Be3 Be7 8.
Qe2 a6 9. O-O-O Qc7 10. Bb3 O-O 11. g4 Nd7 12. Rhg1 Nc5 13. Nf5 b5 14. Bd5 Bb7
15. g5 b4 16. Qh5 Ne5 (16... bxc3 17. Rg3) 17. Rg3 exf5 18. exf5 Rfc8 (18...
bxc3 19. g6) 19. g6 hxg6 20. fxg6 Bf6 21. Qh7+ Kf8 22. gxf7 Nxf7 23. Bd4 bxc3
24. Bxf6 Bxd5 25. Qxg7+ Ke8 26. Rxd5 cxb2+ 27. Kb1 Ne6 28. Qg8+ Nf8 29. Re3+
Ne5 30. Rdxe5+ dxe5 31. Rxe5+ Kd7 32. Qd5+ Qd6 33. Re7+ Kd8 34. Qxd6+ Nd7 35.
Qxd7# 1-0

  

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Re: Open sicilian with Bc4
Reply #5 - 12/10/15 at 13:16:48
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kylemeister wrote on 11/05/15 at 23:34:53:
"Modernized:  The Open Sicilian" advocated the Sozin against the Classical, with the old short-castling main line.  One thing to note is that if White is happy with that, he can play 7. 0-0 instead of 7. Bb3 in the Najdorf version (still allowing the ...b5 line, but devaluing ...Nbd7, which is perhaps more challenging).

I'm grateful to kylemeister for that suggestion, as I have the book and don't have much confidence in the recommendation of 6.h3 against the Najdorf. 6.Bc4 looks much more fun, especially if it can transpose into a line that Amanov and Kavutskiy do recommend.

In the Classical, the book's recommendation after 6.Bc4 Qb6 7.Nb3 e6 is 8.Bf4. GM Kosten, in his (excellent!) ebook, says that this move "became popular after being recommended in one of the Beating the Sicilian books". This puzzles me, since all three editions of that book recommend the Rauzer, not the Sozin. Is there a transposition to this position from some other variation, or was GM Kosten just misremembering?
  
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Re: Open sicilian with Bc4
Reply #4 - 11/14/15 at 19:40:18
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Dunno. The RR effectively driving the classical underground can't have helped I guess.
  
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Re: Open sicilian with Bc4
Reply #3 - 11/14/15 at 11:38:33
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Funny, i was thinking about this just yesterday. When i was playing regularly back in the 90's, i regularly faced Fischer-Sozin lines, and it had been used around that time by some of the top GMs such as Short and Polgar i think.

I no longer play the sicilian, but its not a line that i see on other boards, or in the few GM games i read.  Other than the book mentioned above, and the one by Gary Lane I'm not sure it is covered much for white.

Is this just a victim of fashion or has theory rendered it toothless now?
  

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Re: Open sicilian with Bc4
Reply #2 - 11/05/15 at 23:34:53
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"Modernized:  The Open Sicilian" advocated the Sozin against the Classical, with the old short-castling main line.  One thing to note is that if White is happy with that, he can play 7. 0-0 instead of 7. Bb3 in the Najdorf version (still allowing the ...b5 line, but devaluing ...Nbd7, which is perhaps more challenging).
  
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Re: Open sicilian with Bc4
Reply #1 - 11/05/15 at 22:47:46
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Mikhail Golubev's Sicilian Sozin is very good, but it is now 15 years old.
  
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Open sicilian with Bc4
11/05/15 at 22:13:10
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I recently read an old swedish book about Fischer and  among other things there was some interesting Bc4 games.
Are there actually any modern books covering the lines a part from black repertour books?
  
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