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Re: Exchange Slav recommendations
Reply #13 - 01/08/16 at 04:47:41
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Dvoretsky is one of the sources cited in this 2014 update from Avrukh (making up for omitting the line from his Slav-for-Black book):

http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/The_Classical_Slav_Exchange_update.pdf
  
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Re: Exchange Slav recommendations
Reply #12 - 01/07/16 at 23:49:19
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kevinludwig wrote on 01/06/16 at 17:39:58:
Since the Nd1 line looks to me like white is getting into trouble but happens to have a tactic that bails out to an equal position, and the pawn grab just looks dangerous, I guess that leaves nothing but the Ne2 stuff(?)

If you're willing to dig around the chesscafe.com archives (still available via archived versions of the site), I remember Dvoretsky discussing the merits of Ne2 over Nd1 in one of his columns (probably about 10 years ago). Not that White has much in either case.
  
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Re: Exchange Slav recommendations
Reply #11 - 01/06/16 at 17:39:58
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Hi TN,
Thanks. In the game you provide, white is playing the 8. Qb3 line, not 8. Bb5 with 9. Qa4. Do you think white has nothing in the Bb5 lines (it wouldn't surprise me to be honest).

As far as I know, in the 8. Bb5 Nd7 9. Qa4 Rc8 lines, there are three main options:

A) 10. 0-0 a6 11. Bxc6 Rxc6 12. Rfc1 Be7 13. Nd1;
B) 10. 0-0 a6 11. Bxc6 Rxc6 12. Rfc1 Be7 13. Ne2;
C) 10. Bxc6 Rxc6 12. Qxa7 Qc8 13. Qa5 Bd3;

Since the Nd1 line looks to me like white is getting into trouble but happens to have a tactic that bails out to an equal position, and the pawn grab just looks dangerous, I guess that leaves nothing but the Ne2 stuff(?)
  
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Re: Exchange Slav recommendations
Reply #10 - 01/06/16 at 15:02:35
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If 13. Ne2, I think Black can avoid playing b5 and play the more active Qb6, hitting b2 (this is one point of Nd1, the b2 pawn is defended) After the logical 13. Ne2 Qb6 14. Rxc6 bc 15. Rc1, Black has 15. ... Bd3! and Black will exchange the bishop for the knight and go for the c5 break then.

The play of Black in the game does not look very convincing to me, exchanging all his active pieces to get an opposite-colored bishop ending. I would prefer to stay with the bishop to indulge White to hit him with f2-f3 when this pawn could be a hook for g5-g4. I do not really see how White is playing for a win if you keep your rooks on c2 and c3, as White is always bound to the a2 pawn. Any more thoughts on this?
  
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Re: Exchange Slav recommendations
Reply #9 - 01/06/16 at 14:38:34
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The knight is better on e2 (13.Ne2) than d1 in your line, but sadly no edge for White either.

The following recent game is a good example of how to press as White in such positions:



  

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Re: Exchange Slav recommendations
Reply #8 - 01/04/16 at 20:58:18
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One more question. What is currently considered best in the line (for white) after 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. cxd5 cxd5 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bf4 Bf5 7. e3 e6 8. Bb5 Nd7 9. Qa4 Rc8.

One line given in the Silman & Donaldson book is

10. 0-0 a6 11. Bxc6 Rxc6 12. Rfc1 Be7 13. Nd1 $5 b5 14. Qb3 Rc4 15. Nd2 Qa5 16. Nc3 Rb4 17. Nxd5! Rxb3 18. Rc8+ Bd8 19. Bc7 0-0 20. Bxa5 Rb2 21. Rxd8 =.

The Nxd5 thing is interesting but after the relatively forced sequence it seems like a fairly dull position.
  
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Re: Exchange Slav recommendations
Reply #7 - 12/02/15 at 20:10:24
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Thanks, found the Ne4 stuff, interesting.

I also looked up the 9. f3 stuff...so...after checking out a few games. I get the idea its basically an invitation for black to start sacrificing minor pieces and chasing the white king around the board? Can't say I love it.
  
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Re: Exchange Slav recommendations
Reply #6 - 12/02/15 at 19:20:13
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9.f3 was not a typo - check any current database.
Look at http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?board=Slav to find previous threads on the Slav Exchange, including the one that covers 6...Ne4.
Also, Illingworth has dealt with the Slav Exchange in some detail on the subscription site - for instance I think he covered both 6...Ne4 and 6...Nh5 recently.
  
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Re: Exchange Slav recommendations
Reply #5 - 12/02/15 at 08:22:05
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kevinludwig wrote on 12/01/15 at 22:11:48:
TD, with respect to 6. ...Nh5, do you have some recommendation? The Silman & Donaldson book are fairly brief ("this move is largely unexplored, but makes a good deal of sense"). They give two examples, 7. Bg3 Nxg3 8. hxg3 g6, which is evaluated as fine for black (with a Botvinnik game where black wins) and 7. Be5 f6 8. Bg3 Be6. Are there other decent options?

6...Nh5 IS my recommendation! Wink

I play the Slav from the Black side, so I won't give you any advice for White, as you can understand. Wink
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Re: Exchange Slav recommendations
Reply #4 - 12/01/15 at 22:11:48
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TD, with respect to 6. ...Nh5, do you have some recommendation? The Silman & Donaldson book are fairly brief ("this move is largely unexplored, but makes a good deal of sense"). They give two examples, 7. Bg3 Nxg3 8. hxg3 g6, which is evaluated as fine for black (with a Botvinnik game where black wins) and 7. Be5 f6 8. Bg3 Be6. Are there other decent options?
  
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Re: Exchange Slav recommendations
Reply #3 - 12/01/15 at 22:07:43
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For line 1, my book gives:
1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. cxd5 cxd5 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. Bf4 a6 7. Ne5 Qb6! 8. Nxc6 bxc6 9. Qd2 Bf5 10. f3 e6 11. Rc1! Nd7 12. e4 dxe4 13. fxe4 Bg6 with mutual chances, according to Shirov. Is that the line you're referring to, or is there some improvement from omitting Qd2?

When I search for "Slav" and "Ne4" I only find my own post. Do you happen to have a link to that analysis?

For my last line my book gives 9. Bb5 h6 10. Bh4 Bd7!  11. 0-0 Bd6!. And says, "The position after 10. Bh4 was once thought to be good for white but 10. ...Bd7 followed by 11. ...Bd6 has rehabilitated the whole line for black". It goes on to show a nice win by Dreev.

Is there some improvement for white in there (It's important to note that my book is from 1994, so things might have changed)? Because I think I'm going to abandon this particular line and instead go for 7. ...Nh5 8. Be5 Be7! 9. Bd3 0-0 10. g4! Nf6 and now white has either Rg1 or 11. h4 Qb6 12. Bxf6 Qxb2 13. Bxe7 Qxc3+ 14. Kf1 Nxe7 15. Rc1, when white has initiative for the pawn.

  
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Re: Exchange Slav recommendations
Reply #2 - 12/01/15 at 21:49:24
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And there is also Vigus' 6...Nh5!? to consider!
  
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Re: Exchange Slav recommendations
Reply #1 - 12/01/15 at 19:39:43
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7.Ne5 Qb6 8.Nxc6 bxc6 9.f3!? has been recently championed by Georgian players including Jobava. There is some analysis of 6...Ne4 in an old thread on this forum. In the last line I thought 9.Bb5 was the way to go for White but I haven't looked at this in a long time.
  
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Exchange Slav recommendations
12/01/15 at 16:49:00
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Hi,
I have the (old) book "The Exchange Variation of the Slav" by Silman and Donaldson. It's no surprise that Black has various routes to equality in almost all lines. I'm just trying to pick out options where black at least has a few chances to go wrong. I'm having trouble finding something decent against a few black tries:

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. cxd5 cxd5 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. Bf4 a6.

The book is more of a survey rather than a repertoire recommendation, but some of the main options given are:

7. e3 Bg4 8. h3 Bxf3 (they said this is the main move I think, but it's also the least interesting).
7. Ne5 Qb6! (the claim is that Shirov's Qb6 solves all black's problems immediately)
7. Rc1 Ne4.

A second line I wonder about is 6. ...Ne4 7. e3 Nxc3 8. bxc3 g6, which they attribute to Kramnik. The claim is that this leads to a harmless Grunfeld line.

Finally there's 6. ...e6 7. e3 Nh5!? 8. Bg5 Qb6 9. a3 h6 10. Bh4 g5 11. Bg3 Nxg3 12. hxg3 Bg7 13. Bd3 Qd8. Which is interesting I suppose, but sort of looks like a position where I'd rather be black! So here I'm wondering if there's some better option for white.
  
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