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Re: Repertoire for bishop-pair.
Reply #11 - 01/15/16 at 16:18:58
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I seem to recall Larry Kaufman's first repertoire book saying that playing for the bishop pair was a common theme in the book, and his recommendations for Black were the Semi-Slav (with the Moscow) and the Berlin.  On the other hand he had White playing the Exchange Spanish, the Rossolimo and the Moscow ...
  
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Re: Repertoire for bishop-pair.
Reply #10 - 01/15/16 at 14:05:40
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CanadianClub wrote on 01/15/16 at 09:28:33:


Yes, but the OP would want pair of good bishops, and usually in the KID they are bad (especially the g7)  Cheesy Grin

I agree Semi-Slav is a better option.



Very true!  I played a sort of "Bishop Pair Repertoire" as Black for a long time, which consisted of various ...e6 Sicilians and the Semi-Slav (Moscow).  It's hard to find any fault with those openings, provided that you enjoy the resulting positions!
  
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Re: Repertoire for bishop-pair.
Reply #9 - 01/15/16 at 09:28:33
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ErictheRed wrote on 01/15/16 at 01:33:02:
I just want to chime in to agree that the Semi-Slav is probably the defence to 1.d4 which will allow Black to keep this Bishop pair on the board more than any other, unless my mind is forgetting one...obviously the KID has to rank pretty high up there as well.


Yes, but the OP would want pair of good bishops, and usually in the KID they are bad (especially the g7)  Cheesy Grin

I agree Semi-Slav is a better option.

  
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Re: Repertoire for bishop-pair.
Reply #8 - 01/15/16 at 01:33:02
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I just want to chime in to agree that the Semi-Slav is probably the defence to 1.d4 which will allow Black to keep this Bishop pair on the board more than any other, unless my mind is forgetting one...obviously the KID has to rank pretty high up there as well.
  
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Re: Repertoire for bishop-pair.
Reply #7 - 01/14/16 at 10:11:59
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I have to agree with MartinC on that one as I am a bit skeptical about the Acc. Dragon, my problem being what will you do if White goes for a Maroczy structure? You may find yourself parting with your light-squared Bishop when White finally plays the 'Marco-hop' (i.e. Nd5).

And not all e5-setups produce the same opportunities, e.g. with the Sveshnikov you may find yourself in a position wanting to part with your dark-squared Bishop (as it may turn out to be a 'bad' one). Najdorf on the other hand is a good choice (either with e6 or e5).

P.S.: Good points indeed Rene!
  

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Re: Repertoire for bishop-pair.
Reply #6 - 01/11/16 at 16:16:57
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You should be OK with anything - its a matter of taste/fun Smiley

Thinking about it, the pure e5 Sicillians are probably the best way to get a bishop pair as black. Have to be happy with knights on d5 of course!
  
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Re: Repertoire for bishop-pair.
Reply #5 - 01/11/16 at 15:55:21
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Nice points, ReneDescartes!

As stated, with White I play Reti/English, with an eye to (is this good English or Van Gaal's? Wink ) the Wojo/Avrukh-repertoire (Catalan, KID, GID) so there I have no problem with preserving my bishop's (except for giving it up voluntarilly for other gains).

I like my bishops to suddenly spring to life and harrass the opponent, so maybe I answered my own question and should play (Accelerated) Dragon and my old love the Benko Gambit. The former is maybe to theoretical and the latter not completely sound or always attainable, at my level (1900+) I should be okay.
  
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Re: Repertoire for bishop-pair.
Reply #4 - 01/11/16 at 14:25:59
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A couple of points--excuse me if they are obvious. First, there is the advantage of the bishop pair and then there is the lesser goal of not allowing your opponent the advantage of the bishop pair.  The phrase "repertoire for the bishop pair" seems to me to imply the former.

Second, if there is distance between a knight and a bishop, the bishop can exchange itself for the knight, but the knight cannot exchange itself for the bishop; and the bishop can run away out of range more easily than can a knight. So unless someone allows his bishop to get trapped, you choose to give up the advantage of the bishop pair, but your opponent chooses when you will acquire it--when he gives his own bishop pair up in order to smash up your pawns, etc. Since White is in the driver's seat in the opening, he won't do that without exacting a heavy price.

Third, to use the bishop pair you need to open up the position. Openings described as solid generally have positions that aren't very open, which in turn means the bishop pair can't shine: if that happens in the early middlegame or the opening, you simply don't have a "solid" opening in the usual sense. (The IQP positions of the French are solid, but not in the sense most people want when they speak of solid openings.)

Concretely, Avrukh's White repertoire 1.d4 is largely based on keeping the bishop pair, but the positions can get quite sharp. As for Black, there is, for example, Bareev's line in the French defense Burn variation, where he retreats the bishop back to e7, saving the bishop pair for later use. But, as in the Sicilian, Black then has to endure an attack!
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Re: Repertoire for bishop-pair.
Reply #3 - 01/11/16 at 12:28:06
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As MartinC mentioned above, various Sicilian systems based on either the "little centre" (e6/d6) or the Najdorf/Boleslavsky centre (e5/d6) are producing a lot of games where Black manages to keep the Bishop pair for most of the game. iirc in Polugaevsky's Sicilian Labyrinth (Vol. II) there is a chapter on such endgames, where Black has the Bishop pair and the better pawn structure (2 central pawns vs. White's one).
  

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Re: Repertoire for bishop-pair.
Reply #2 - 01/11/16 at 11:00:43
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TD wrote on 01/11/16 at 10:15:23:
The only problem I have is that my bishop keeps being exchanged on f5, g6 or d3...



It's a characteristic of those openings (Caro and Slav) and the Caro in particular, that the White square Bishop tries to do something active early on. That's likely to lead to a trade against either White's Bishop or the f3 Knight. Mostly unavoidable really. You need openings where the c8 Bishop stays at home and where you don't need to offer an early exchange of the f8 Bishop on e7.
  
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Re: Repertoire for bishop-pair.
Reply #1 - 01/11/16 at 10:37:21
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If you really like having two active bishops, maybe Lopez (Zaitsev?) and Semi Slav would be the most plausible.

Various openings that let you keep them though, e6/d6 sicillian set ups, some of the dxe4 lines in the French, modern benoni, QGD, QGA(?) and even actually the Nimzo Indian(!).
(Yes, seriously. Well in most lines anyway Smiley).
  
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Repertoire for bishop-pair.
01/11/16 at 10:15:23
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Do any of you have a (black) repertoire meant to keep the bishop-pair? I used to play Sicilian Dragon and Kings-Indian Defence, but now I play more solid and less theoretical with the Caro-Kann and the Slav. The only problem I have is that my bishop keeps being exchanged on f5, g6 or d3...

With White I almost always play (double-)fianchetto (Reti, English), so I have no problem there with keeping my bishops. Maybe I should go (back) to (less theoretical) kingside fianchetto with Black as well?
  
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