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Re: New line used by Stockfish 7 in Berlin Gambit
Reply #6 - 01/31/16 at 22:11:50
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Well it was also mentioned in the previous chapter where the coverage of 4. Bc4 Bc5 begins:

"White usually transposes to the Italian Game with 5. c3"

And the analysis is in chapter 49.
  
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Re: New line used by Stockfish 7 in Berlin Gambit
Reply #5 - 01/31/16 at 21:29:52
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AlanG wrote on 01/31/16 at 19:16:09:
He does - in the transpositions section at the end of the chapter.

"If White has adequate survival instincts he will avoid this chapter and transpose to the Italian Game with 5.c3 (Chapter 49)"

It would have been helpful if Bologan had at least mentioned this tidbit in the chapter notes itself and shown us a line of analysis. As such seeing 5.c3 on the board was quite a sucker punch to the face because it left me wondering what line this transposed to. Makes me want to throw up my hands in disgust and just stick to the French Defence. By the way I had been playing this game in rapid against Stockfish 7 using Valentina Guinina's games as the opening book so imagine my surprise to see this line used!
  
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Re: New line used by Stockfish 7 in Berlin Gambit
Reply #4 - 01/31/16 at 19:16:09
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He does - in the transpositions section at the end of the chapter.

"If White has adequate survival instincts he will avoid this chapter and transpose to the Italian Game with 5.c3 (Chapter 49)"
  
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Re: New line used by Stockfish 7 in Berlin Gambit
Reply #3 - 01/31/16 at 18:48:44
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kylemeister wrote on 01/31/16 at 16:08:33:
A normal book response is 5...Nf6, transposing to the Giuoco Piano.


I don't think Bologan mentions this in the Berlin Gambit chapter on the Scotch move order.
  
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Re: New line used by Stockfish 7 in Berlin Gambit
Reply #2 - 01/31/16 at 16:14:42
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This line was first played (as far as is known to chess historians) in a correspondence game between the City of London (white) and the City of Edinburgh (black). The game began on April the 28th, 1824, and ended on February the 23th, 1825. Efforts to determine whether the City of London used a secret copy of Stockfish 7 have been inconclusive.
  
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Re: New line used by Stockfish 7 in Berlin Gambit
Reply #1 - 01/31/16 at 16:08:33
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A normal book response is 5...Nf6, transposing to the Giuoco Piano.
  
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New line used by Stockfish 7 in Berlin Gambit
01/31/16 at 13:21:49
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Theory goes 1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Bc4 Bc5. Now here the normal continuation is 5. 0-0 as mentioned in Bologan's Black Weapons. But Stockfish 7 has come up with a new wrinkle here and throws this line out the window with 5. c3! immediately before castling. Has anyone seen this line and what's the best answer?
  
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