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Re: Annoying responses to London (incl. 1st move)
Reply #5 - 04/19/16 at 10:01:53
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CanadianClub wrote on 04/17/16 at 20:35:22:
I play a Nf6-e6-c5-b6 setup (inspired by some Carlsen games). And not d5, but d6 to prevent White's Ne5.


There's a choice of how to play this on the king side. Either KID/reverse Reti with Nf6, g6, Bg7 or Hedgehog style with Nf6, e6, Be7.

As far as White is concerned, unless they change their minds and go for c4 and Nc3, it's always Bf4, Nf3, e3, c3, h3, Nbd2 in some order. The variable is where they put the Bishop from f1. Does it go to e2,d3 or c4? You might think that e2 is the least aggressive, but it can enable pressure to be put on the d6 square by Nd2-c4


  
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Re: Annoying responses to London (incl. 1st move)
Reply #4 - 04/19/16 at 06:24:31
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If you're comfortable with the Pirc or Modern as Black, then I don't think an early Bf4 is so effective against 1...d6 or 1...g6 before Black commits the knight to f6. An effective plan is to prepare a quick ...e5 with ...Nd7 and then decide how to commit the knight later. Here ...Nh6 is often a good option and can work well with kingside expansion with ...f5. I believe Krasenkow has used this plan a number of times to beat lower rated players. Also you can consider the Leningrad Dutch via this move order to avoid some annoying Dutch sidelines.
  
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Re: Annoying responses to London (incl. 1st move)
Reply #3 - 04/17/16 at 20:35:22
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I play a Nf6-e6-c5-b6 setup (inspired by some Carlsen games). And not d5, but d6 to prevent White's Ne5. Just a game of chess.
  
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Re: Annoying responses to London (incl. 1st move)
Reply #2 - 04/16/16 at 20:23:53
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Bonsai wrote on 04/16/16 at 05:52:28:
I have for example used 1.d4 c5 in the past to have more options when I was facing London players, but after 2.c3 one can still get a pretty normal London position.


You can play 2... Qa5!?
Another option is 1 d4 d6 2 Nf3 Nf6 3 Bf4 Nh5!? as recommendet by Cherniaev, Prokuronov in "the new old indian - a repertoire for Black against 1 d4"
  
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Re: Annoying responses to London (incl. 1st move)
Reply #1 - 04/16/16 at 08:58:27
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Bonsai wrote on 04/16/16 at 05:52:28:
I have been wondering what the most annoying response to the London (in the sense that it produces non-London positions that the London player will be unfamiliar with) is. Besides the extreme options like 1.d4 e5, are there reasonable deviations that give the game truly unique flavour?


A Chigorin approach is used occasionally. So you start 1. d4 d5 2. Bf4 Nc6. This has possible ideas of .. Bg4 against Nf3 and could be seen as a  reversed Veresov.


  
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Annoying responses to London (incl. 1st move)
04/16/16 at 05:52:28
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I have been wondering what the most annoying response to the London (in the sense that it produces non-London positions that the London player will be unfamiliar with) is. Besides the extreme options like 1.d4 e5, are there reasonable deviations that give the game truly unique flavour? I am asking, because I am looking for interesting ways of spicing things up against people that I know will play the London (even at the cost of not necessarily being able to play my standard defence against 1.d4). I have for example used 1.d4 c5 in the past to have more options when I was facing London players, but after 2.c3 one can still get a pretty normal London position. 1.d4 f5 is of course quite unique, but bishop moves like 2.Bf4 and Bg5 still seem pretty good, so I have for the moment discarded the option (even though I used to play the Dutch in the past).
  
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