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Re: Attacking the English/Reti A Black Repertoire
Reply #18 - 12/07/16 at 18:03:43
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GM Mikhalevsky in "Beating Minor Openings" proposes 11..g5! his main line being 12.0-0 0-0 13.f4 exf3 14.exf3 Be6 15.f4 Bxe5 16.fxe5 Ne4 17.Qd1 f5 18.exf6 Nxc3 19.bxc3 Rxf6 "both sides have slight weaknesses, but it seems to me that black is not worse."
  
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Re: Attacking the English/Reti A Black Repertoire
Reply #17 - 08/12/16 at 09:08:53
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MarinFan wrote on 07/26/16 at 20:56:44:
10Bf4 seems to be a typical nice position for black. After 10...Nb6 black has a space advantage, and bg2 rather dead, even if further down the line black loses a pawn.


Hi, sorry for my delayed response; thx for the answer. I agree to the position being within the 'playable for black' limits, although I would probably choose white (after 10...Nb6). What  about 11.Be5, with the idea of taking the knight on f6 and then winning the d5 pawn? Is that what you meant with 'further down the line black loses a pawn'? (Any concrete variations up your sleeve?)

I am not greatly worried about this, but is it so clear that black really can claim any space advantage then, with full compensation?

A sample line is 11.Be5 Qe7 (11...g5!?) 12. Bxf6 Qxf6 13. Nxd5 Qxd4 14. Rd1 Qc5 15. Nhf4. White has centerlized knights, and the e4 pawn looks a bit weak to me? Maybe hit with 15... Bxf4 16. Nxf4 Bf5? 


  
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Re: Attacking the English/Reti A Black Repertoire
Reply #16 - 07/26/16 at 20:56:44
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10Bf4 seems to be a typical nice position for black. After 10...Nb6 black has a space advantage, and bg2 rather dead, even if further down the line black loses a pawn.
  
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Re: Attacking the English/Reti A Black Repertoire
Reply #15 - 07/23/16 at 09:16:30
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Got the book now, and my impression at this time is favourable too - no doubt, some serious work behind this, and I like how they give multiple suggestions at places. However, I am rather suprised to see how D&S dismisses the following line (i.e., the move 4...exd4) as "somewhat ridiculous": 1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nf6 3. Bg2 c6 4.d4 exd4, p. 22. As I understand it, this very variation was suggested in D.Weapon's as a 'clean equalizer' against 'Kostenites', with the idea of playing Na6 and Bc5. E.g., 5. Qxd4 Na6!? 6. Nf3 Bc5 7. Qe5+, and then either 7...Qe7 or the Komodos 7...Be7. I have looked at these lines to some extent (e.g., also with other moves than 6.Nf3 inserted), and it indeed looks pretty equal to me. Anyone who feels that 'ridiculous' indeed is a suitable label for this whole system?

Let me again stress that the book looks very good and substantial, with lots of ideas explained, theory, games, and there is lots of sidelines covered.

I also wonder if the following line is totally even (it surely is close to, but perhaps just a tiny better for white):  1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nf6 3. Bg2 c6 4.d4 e4 5.Nc3 d5 6.Bg5 Bbd7 7.cxd5 exd5 8.Qb3 Bd6 9.Nh3!? (a sideline in the book - good that it wasn't omitted) h6 10.Bf4!? (where also Bxf6 is discussed). To be honest, it doesn't strike me as an attacking position against the English, although it must be totally playable, right? But if any side has any kind of tiny edge there, it must be White?

Any comments on all this welcome


  
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Reply #14 - 07/16/16 at 22:08:45
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Yes, indeed. It discusses both lines, and the authors mention that they are not connected, but separate lines. Studying both will help when choosing one but is not necessary. I haven't looked at the lines yet, but the book seems interesting.
  
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Reply #13 - 07/10/16 at 12:35:22
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Sounds good - I am interested in the 'normal' Keres' lines with 2.Nf6 before playing c6, which (if you ask me) equalizes fairly easily against the 2.g3  (as suggested in D.Weapons', was it Pallister again?) but I understand that this book suggests 2.c6 instead. Having said that, I of course realize that the concept of 'equalizing' is a complex one, and it is interesting how Marin thought there still is some advantage for white.. I personally don't see any, and, for what it is worth, Komodo, Hiercs & Houdini tend to assign slightly negative numbers in these variations (e.g., after the 3. Bg3 d5 4. d4 c5 5. Qxd4 Na6). Anyone in disagreement with this, by the way?  (Although, perhaps, slightly off topic).

Will be interesting to see how the lines of this new book compares to this..

Edit: my memory did let me down; the book apparently discusses both 2.c6 and 2.Nf6 3.c6. Then, no doubt, a very interesting book ...
  
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Re: Attacking the English/Reti A Black Repertoire
Reply #12 - 07/09/16 at 11:17:18
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fling wrote on 06/20/16 at 20:16:24:
In fact, the book is already available at Forward Chess.


The book is already available in paper format. My first impressions: good work!
  
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Reply #11 - 07/09/16 at 07:18:24
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Did anyone get it yet, any first impressions above what is apperent in the sample pdf?
  
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Reply #10 - 06/20/16 at 20:16:24
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In fact, the book is already available at Forward Chess.
  
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Re: Attacking the English/Reti A Black Repertoire
Reply #9 - 06/20/16 at 17:43:54
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I like the idea of Bb4 in the Four Knights English, lets see the book, it is going to be published very soon if I am correct.
  
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Re: Attacking the English/Reti A Black Repertoire
Reply #8 - 06/20/16 at 03:07:25
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TN wrote on 06/05/16 at 17:43:04:
If one is going to adorn 1.c4 e5 2.g3 with '?!', it makes you wonder how objective the book is going to be. It is convenient that the standard counter of d4 to ...c6 isn't mentioned in the introduction, as 2.g3 c6 3.d4 e4 4.Nc3 d5 5.Nh3 (following the 'grab all the space' strategy) is meant to be a little better for White.


In fairness, the scope of the introduction is intentionally limited to a very small number of illustrative variations demonstrating their concept of central strategy. All of the other chapters have "Main Ideas" introductory sections and the line you gave is in fact the main line of Chapter 2 with the annotated game Nailer - Delchev, Ordu 2016.

Semkov is a co-author and if you've seen his "Kill KID" book, hyperbolic statements like these should not come as a surprise. It's just a part of the package. As a former English player, their analysis has my attention FWIW. Their previous book on the QGA inspired me to pick up the opening and this looks like a very interesting companion repertoire.
  
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Re: Attacking the English/Reti A Black Repertoire
Reply #7 - 06/05/16 at 17:43:04
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If one is going to adorn 1.c4 e5 2.g3 with '?!', it makes you wonder how objective the book is going to be. It is convenient that the standard counter of d4 to ...c6 isn't mentioned in the introduction, as 2.g3 c6 3.d4 e4 4.Nc3 d5 5.Nh3 (following the 'grab all the space' strategy) is meant to be a little better for White.
  

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Re: Attacking the English/Reti A Black Repertoire
Reply #6 - 06/05/16 at 09:40:43
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I see this book as a follow up of their "Understanding the Queen´s Gambit accepted".

Even if one does not intend to play 1.d4 d5, after 1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 Nf6 the Queen´s pawn Openings are in my opinion mostly harmless here and after 3.c4 dxc4 White´s options are restricted compared to 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4.

JEH wrote on 06/03/16 at 11:34:23:
[...]I think the response to 1. Nf3 depends very much on what your repertoire vs. 1. d4 [...]


As a King´s Indian player that´s how I have treated 1.Nf3 always in the past. However, broadening my repertoire against 1.d4 somewhat forced me to think that perhaps it´s better to treat 1.Nf3 and its transpostions after a possible 2.d4 as a completely independent opening.

So 1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 Nf6 3.c4 dxc4 may be part of my future repertoire while 1.d4 d5 may be not.
  
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Reply #5 - 06/04/16 at 16:15:11
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There is another little point. 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.g3 Bb4 5.Bg2 O-O 6.O-O e4 7.Ng5 Bxc3 8.dxc3 is very similar to 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.Nc3 g6 5.O-O Bg7 6.e5 Ng4 7.Bxc6 dxc6. Fans of Tony Rotella's The Killer Sicilian might not particularly enjoy playing against their own repertoire.
  

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Re: Attacking the English/Reti A Black Repertoire
Reply #4 - 06/03/16 at 11:34:23
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Yes, whilst 1. ..e5 makes it an independent opening, I think the response to 1. Nf3 depends very much on what your repertoire vs. 1. d4, and even 1. e4 (if you go e.g. 1. Nf3 c5).

Although I like the principle of the repertoire, if you're not going to take the space, then I am  Cool
  

Those who want to go by my perverse footsteps play such pawn structure with fuzzy atypical still strategic orientations

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