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Re: King's Indian based Rep Book by A. Kornev 2016
Reply #11 - 07/04/16 at 17:39:11
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looks like exact same rep as the Vigorito books
  
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Reply #10 - 07/02/16 at 20:24:47
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AJZ wrote on 07/02/16 at 07:38:16:
If 2. e4 than I play 2...g6 Modern, although after 3.c4 Nd7 4.Nc3 e5 5.Nf3 Bg7 6.Be2 Nf6 7.0-0 0-0 I'm landing in Nbd7 KID Smiley


There's an opinion, even expressed in Tiger's book on the Modern, that if White plays c4 against it, that going into the Kings Indian is one of the better approaches.

If Black plays d6, g6, Bg7 early on, then if not prevented by e4, f5 is possible. That's sometimes a move order against the English, which keeps at least some options open.
  
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Reply #9 - 07/02/16 at 09:16:48
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If 2. e4 than I play 2...g6 Modern, although after 3.c4 Nd7 4.Nc3 e5 5.Nf3 Bg7 6.Be2 Nf6 7.0-0 0-0 I'm landing in Nbd7 KID


What's your recipe if White plays 5 Be3 here, or 5 Nge2 intending Be3 and f3? Are the resulting Saemish and/or non-Saemisch options fully reliable for Black?

I think when White goes for Saemisch setup than it's good to develop the g knight to e7 with quick ...f5 to follow or ...exd4, 0-0 and then ...f5. I have to admit that I don't have much experience nor detailed analysis of such positions..
  
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If 2. e4 than I play 2...g6 Modern, although after 3.c4 Nd7 4.Nc3 e5 5.Nf3 Bg7 6.Be2 Nf6 7.0-0 0-0 I'm landing in Nbd7 KID


What's your recipe if White plays 5 Be3 here, or 5 Nge2 intending Be3 and f3? Are the resulting Saemish and/or non-Saemisch options fully reliable for Black?
  
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Reply #7 - 07/02/16 at 07:38:16
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RdC wrote on 07/02/16 at 07:11:33:
AJZ wrote on 07/01/16 at 08:30:12:
An excerpt is up:
http://www.chess-stars.com/Future_Plans.html


I'm not a KID expert, so I'd like to ask, what do you think about KID lines he chose?




There's a certain amount of consistency, that he's suggesting .. Nc6 in most lines. This can be helpful with transpositions, as whether to play the Knight to c6, d7 or a6 is one of the decisions that Kings Indian players have to make. Here and there he advocates playing .. c5 with a Benoni like position.

All move orders are compromises. Using 1. d4 Nf6 means you need a line against the Tromp but not against the Pirc. That said, he may not be considering the annoying line that goes 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. Nc3. That is problematic for Black if you don't really trust the Pirc.


Thank you for answering. I'm new not only to KID but also to the Pirc. As for know I'm playing 1. d4 d6 to reach Leningrad Dutch sidestepping 2.Nc3 2.Bg5 or gambits on move 2 that arise after 1...f5. If 2. e4 than I play 2...g6 Modern, although after 3.c4 Nd7 4.Nc3 e5 5.Nf3 Bg7 6.Be2 Nf6 7.0-0 0-0 I'm landing in Nbd7 KID Smiley
  
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Reply #6 - 07/02/16 at 07:11:33
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AJZ wrote on 07/01/16 at 08:30:12:
An excerpt is up:
http://www.chess-stars.com/Future_Plans.html


I'm not a KID expert, so I'd like to ask, what do you think about KID lines he chose?




There's a certain amount of consistency, that he's suggesting .. Nc6 in most lines. This can be helpful with transpositions, as whether to play the Knight to c6, d7 or a6 is one of the decisions that Kings Indian players have to make. Here and there he advocates playing .. c5 with a Benoni like position.

All move orders are compromises. Using 1. d4 Nf6 means you need a line against the Tromp but not against the Pirc. That said, he may not be considering the annoying line that goes 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. Nc3. That is problematic for Black if you don't really trust the Pirc.
  
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Re: King's Indian based Rep Book by A. Kornev 2016
Reply #5 - 07/02/16 at 03:55:22
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And I agree with your agreement Wink Yes of course these will be great for my 1. ...d6 too :-D

I had someone wangle me into a Samisch with Bg5 too which was a system I was really trying to avoid with 1. ...d6

I am pleased he is covering it from Nf6, as I would like to move onto that at some point. And with the non-d4 options too, this could be my new carry around book as the Chess Stars ones are nice and compact (the flabby Move by Move ones are for the bathroom  Smiley)
  

Those who want to go by my perverse footsteps play such pawn structure with fuzzy atypical still strategic orientations

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Reply #4 - 07/01/16 at 23:39:05
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Agreed, surely it's still a complete repertoire, and if the two parts can also be used separately, that's just a bonus (and likely good for the book sales!).

Though it would still be nice if Kornev threw in a chapter on the 1.d4 d6 (or 1.d4 g6) move order somewhere, to make full use of the repertoire (to avoid the Tromp and gain extra options against the London and Torre, for instance). I actually faced 1.d4 d6 2.Bg5 once, but luckily I remembered the recommendation from Yrjöla and Tella's Explosive Opening Repertoire for Black. I must have had a memory for theory back then...
  

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Re: King's Indian based Rep Book by A. Kornev 2016
Reply #3 - 07/01/16 at 20:16:48
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What's stopping you from making a 1.d4 d6 universal repertoire, though?  There are very few ways that White could avoid a King's Indian or Pirc; this just gives you bonus stuff (lines against the Tromp).
  
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Re: King's Indian based Rep Book by A. Kornev 2016
Reply #2 - 07/01/16 at 19:13:50
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JEH wrote on 07/01/16 at 19:00:32:
I was hoping for a one book universal d6 with Pirc and KID, but it makes it more marketable to not be dependent on an 1. e4 d6 defence, and thus stand alone.

Also with the Pirc instead of the Modern, Vol. 2  won't be dependent on the first book.


Totally misleading though isn't it?

Almost like Sverre Johnsen pretending his 3 books are a repertoire for black and white.
  

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Re: King's Indian based Rep Book by A. Kornev 2016
Reply #1 - 07/01/16 at 19:00:32
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I was hoping for a one book universal d6 with Pirc and KID, but it makes it more marketable to not be dependent on an 1. e4 d6 defence, and thus stand alone.

Also with the Pirc instead of the Modern, Vol. 2  won't be dependent on the first book.
  

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King's Indian based Rep Book by A. Kornev 2016
07/01/16 at 08:30:12
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An excerpt is up:
http://www.chess-stars.com/Future_Plans.html

So there is not only KI against 1.d4 but also some KI set-ups against everything other than 1. e4 - it's the first big plus for me.
Vol. 2 would be about Pirc so it's interesting that he didn't choose 1.d4 d6 move order and thus he covers e. g. Trompowsky. The point is that not everyone will buy Pirc book, if one plays e. g. Sicilian. So anti-KI lines included gives another plus.

I'm not a KID expert, so I'd like to ask, what do you think about KID lines he chose?
I hope he wisely used existing great sources on KI and added his own fresh ideas.
  
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