Don't worry too much about spelling. If it's really bad I correct it for you.
Don't worry about my purchasing habits either. In time I'll decide to buy Jones (at first sight that one looks addressing my needs best) or Dearing.
I have one question left. Would playing 9.Kh1 a6 a good idea as well or is a plan with leaving the bishop on c1 more dangerous? Especially 10.a4 Be6 11.f4 ?
Again it would be nice to learn what Move by Move says about 10.Kh1. Light coverage as well?

bragesjo wrote on 08/16/16 at 07:29:28:

Thanks.

XChess1971 wrote on 08/16/16 at 12:46:07:

I've been pretty sure since more than 20 years that 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e5 (my choice as I wrote in my previous post) is not an Accelerated Dragon, but a Kalashnikov. I only play 3...g6 if White has played Nc3.
I'd welcome 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4 e6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Nf6 6.Nc3 as Black does excellently after Bb4. 4.Be2 b6 5.O-O Bb7 6.d4 cxd4 7.Nxd4 Qb8 also seems fine.
Tony Rotella recommends 2.c4 Nc6 3.Nc3 e5 4.Nf3 g6.
The Kalashnikov-Accelerated Dragon combo is waterproof.

I forgot MNb also you have 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4. There is 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.c4 as well.

I notice the topic isn't about the book anymore...

It's highly unlikely that I'll ever play the Dragon Proper. More than twenty years ago I have played the Accelerated Dragon (and even the Semi-Accelerated Dragon) for a while. Back then I already realized this avoids

(1) the Yugoslav Attack with 9.O-O-O
(2) the Yugoslav Attack with 9.g4.

That was in the time IM Silman advocated his gambit against the Maroczy Bind, eg Anka-Silman, Budapest 1994. And I realized some more.
When I gave up the French two years ago I bought Tony Rotella's excellent Killer Sicilian and worked my way through it. I liked it very much and quickly spotted a small but important error. Tony was kind and honest enough to admit it when I pointed it out to him.

"The problem is that normal moves like ...... 3...g6 ... are met by 4.d4, when we're out of our repertoire."
Nope. 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 g6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Bg7 not only avoids (1) and (2), but also

(3) the Maroczy Bind

and hence is an excellent complement to the Kalashnikov.
Of course I had to redo all my outdated work again. To my joy I could expand the list a bit more. Black can even avoid

(4) your Pseudo-Yugoslav with Be2 iso f3 as Black will play ...d5 in one go.
(5) the topical Yugoslav variation with 9.Bc4, 10.O-O-O, 11.Bb3 and 12.Kb1.

So I get 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 g6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Bg7 6.Be3 Nf6 7.Bc4 O-O 8.Bb3 d6 9.f3 Bd7. No doubt you will immediately recognize this as an irregular version of the Yugoslav Attack. There is a lot to say about this. Things are tricky from here due to many subtle transpositions. Any conclusion depends on two factors. The first is the evaluation of main systems like the Soltis and the Chinese Dragon; the second is the evaluation of independent options like the Forintos Variation (10...Nxd4 11.Bxd4 b5) which is quite similar to the Topalov Variation. White also has a few independent options available. While I don't underestimate the work involved (I have been doing quite some over the years) it's still less than the Dragon Proper. Plus there is the chance to bewilder White with smart move orders.

White can deviate with 9.h3 which becomes the Sozin-Short Variation (6.Bc4 against the Dragon).
Further back White has 7.Be2 O-O 8.Nb3 (8.Qd2 d5!) d6 9.O-O and about twenty years ago I won a nice corr. game with Be6 10.f4 Rc8 and the exchange sac on c3.
If anything then 7.Nxc6 bxc6 8.e5 Ng8 is good for Black.
Also I noticed that 6.Nde2 Nf6 7.g3 O-O 8.Bg2 Rb8 9.a4 a6 10.O-O b5 is an improved version (for Black)of the Counterfianchetto 6.g3 against the Dragon Proper.
So 6.Nb3 Nf6 7.Be2 O-O 8.O-O d6 9.Bg5, 9.Re1 and 9.Kh1 remain.

None of this is critical for my choice; I already have returned to the Kalashnikov. It just would be nice to complete my repertoire against 1.e4. As buying a 500 pages book on the Dragon Proper for 10 pages on these three Classical lines is not exactly economical I would appreciate it if some Dragon expert gave me a few hints (9.Bg5 a6 it will be). Books on the Accelerated Dragon probably are not very useful either, because they prefer to avoid the Dragon Proper, while I want to steer at it on my conditions.

Of course it would be fantastic if someone wrote a book on transposing (or not) from the Accelerated Dragon to the Dragon Proper. I pondered asking Tony Rotella, but he's still recovering from The Killer Sicilian.

Move by move seemingly refers to the format with lots of text and especially the questions. Really deep/comprehensive theory not to be expected.
(The introduction actually explicitly denies trying to provide this.).

bragesjo wrote on 08/12/16 at 17:38:40:


That's an unhelpful answer. I asked a question, I did not intend to start a discussion. I asked you because I very well know you know a lot more about the Dragon than me. The answer may be common knowledge, I don't know it or I wouldn't have asked. You're not exactly a great guy for helping out an ignorant like me.
For instance you could have offered a couple of relevant and representative games to help me on my way. You preferred not to do so.
Well, I guess this

Quote:

was not a sincere question then.
...... (insert your favourite abusive term, preferably in Swedish).

MNb wrote on 08/12/16 at 15:52:46:


About equality in Karpov system its no point discussing is common knowledge that black has equal chanses in mainlines like 8 .. Nc6 9 Nb3. a6, Unless something major has happended since I deserted the Dragon and it was for other reasons. True I lost team match once in Karpov system but my opponnet had about 500 more in Swedisch rating at that time (some 16 years ago) but I had nothing to do with the opening, He simply handled the middlegame better and won from an equal position, computer was even -0.1 evaluation at some point. He would have won regardless of opening since he played in Swedish Championships 2nd heigest class while I only played in small local tournaments and at Internet.

I think that openings in generall is about getting a comfortable position not to get a theoretical position one does not like or are unfamilar with. I play Be2 yugoslav like vs Dragon and Be2 systems vs some other sicilians and g3 position vs some. It gives no theoretical advantage but I gets a active practical position I like and understands and as a bonus I can play Be2 vs Classical with no fear of transposing to Dragon. Karpov was in my eyes a very practical player and I would say the Karpov system is about the same thing, getting a comfortable position easy to maintain.