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Reply #54 - 03/28/19 at 08:49:17
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 03/28/19 at 06:51:21:
TD wrote on 08/09/18 at 18:15:17:
Hansen will be putting out new Dragon books next year, digging into the theory a lot deeper than he was able to do in the move by move book. Great news!


Have you any more news about this ¿ I cannot find any information about what the books are, or which publisher.

I have no further information.

Maybe this book is interesting to you? There is also a Kindle edition.
https://www.amazon.com/Sicilian-Accelerated-Dragon-20th-Anniversary/dp/171785295...
  
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Reply #53 - 03/28/19 at 06:51:21
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TD wrote on 08/09/18 at 18:15:17:
Hansen will be putting out new Dragon books next year, digging into the theory a lot deeper than he was able to do in the move by move book. Great news!


Have you any more news about this ¿ I cannot find any information about what the books are, or which publisher.
  
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Reply #52 - 03/28/19 at 06:19:31
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Thanks for the replies.

I was mainly against Fighting the Dragon because I also wanted coverage of other tries eg Levenfish, various Be2 tries etc.

I always assumed the Chesspublishing stuff would be of too high derail. I already subscribe to all sections, so it seems like a completely sensible place to start.

Thanks to an ordinary chess player, RoleyPoley and Stigma for your tips! Looking forward to the dragon. I’ve been a dedicated Ruy Lopez player for about a decade. I’m looking forward to saccing my rook much often!
  
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Reply #51 - 03/27/19 at 23:28:11
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If you're going to go for Ward's book, why not go for the ChessPublishing Dragons section by the very same author instead? My impression is that Ward quite often includes games because they are thematic or striking even if they're not theoretically critical, to a larger extent than most of the other columnists.

I also believe quite a bit of the same strategic content as in Winning With the Dragon 2 may be found in the early years of the ChessPublishing archives. Though I don't have the book myself, so I can't compare them directly. Of course with ChessPublishing you would also get a by now enormous number of commented games and the latest theory as a "bonus"!

There is one Dragon book that's entirely built around the typical themes of the opening: Secrets of the Sicilian Dragon by Gufeld and Schiller. I have it, but I haven't used it enough to give an informed opinion. The two authors are not exactly known for always delivering profound, high-quality work... but I don't believe this one was their worst effort.
  

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Re: Sicilian Dragon: Move by Move
Reply #50 - 03/27/19 at 22:11:30
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gillbod wrote on 03/27/19 at 10:41:19:
can someone provide me a comparison on how Hansen's Move By Move book compares to Martin's Starting Out book?

i will be supplementing with other sources, so i don't mind things being a little out of date or covered in lesser detail. i'm looking for good explanations on themes and maybe some interesting lesser-known tries for black.

thanks a lot for any help!

I wouldnt bother with Martin's book. If you really dont mind out of date material then i would recommend Ward's books on the dragon. Lines are largely busted but the thematic discussions are excellent. Play the Sicilian by Eddie Dearing is another favoured book but pretty old.

More recent efforts the Fighting Dragon mentioned earlier. Would also recommend Jones's books for Quality Chess over the move by move book but may be a little more advanced than what you are looking for.

The move by move book isnt bad per se but has a lot of annotations in it which dont make it as accessible as the others mentioned.
  

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Reply #49 - 03/27/19 at 13:17:03
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gillbod wrote on 03/27/19 at 10:41:19:
i'm looking for good explanations on themes and maybe some interesting lesser-known tries for black.

https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/the-fighting-dragon
  
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Reply #48 - 03/27/19 at 10:41:19
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can someone provide me a comparison on how Hansen's Move By Move book compares to Martin's Starting Out book?

i will be supplementing with other sources, so i don't mind things being a little out of date or covered in lesser detail. i'm looking for good explanations on themes and maybe some interesting lesser-known tries for black.

thanks a lot for any help!
  
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Re: Sicilian Dragon: Move by Move
Reply #47 - 08/10/18 at 16:38:30
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Stigma wrote on 08/10/18 at 15:03:02:
Glenn Snow wrote on 08/10/18 at 04:40:35:
For something different against the Yugoslav, check out Panjwani's own system given in his The Hyper Accelerated Dragon.

It's interesting and different allright. But you can't reach Panjwani's system from a regular Dragon move order. If I recall correctly, that d-pawn can stay on d7 for several moves (or jump straight to d5 at an opportune moment).


Absolutely correct, this option is only available to those who play the Accelerated version.
  
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Reply #46 - 08/10/18 at 15:03:02
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Glenn Snow wrote on 08/10/18 at 04:40:35:
For something different against the Yugoslav, check out Panjwani's own system given in his The Hyper Accelerated Dragon.

It's interesting and different allright. But you can't reach Panjwani's system from a regular Dragon move order. If I recall correctly, that d-pawn can stay on d7 for several moves (or jump straight to d5 at an opportune moment).
  

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Reply #45 - 08/10/18 at 10:28:49
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RoleyPoley wrote on 08/10/18 at 10:10:12:
TD wrote on 08/09/18 at 18:15:17:
Seeley wrote on 07/27/16 at 21:17:29:
TD wrote on 07/27/16 at 21:02:19:
AJZ wrote on 07/27/16 at 19:14:22:
First notice: bibliography - no recent books by Jones or Negi included

Very strange indeed. And there seem to be no games after 2014.

Perhaps the book was written some time ago but the publishers preferred to delay publication so as to avoid a clash or near-clash with the publication date of Jones's two-volume work. I realise the intended audience is different but, even so, perhaps they felt buyers would be more likely to choose one or the other work if both came out at the same time, and more likely to buy both if there was a time interval between them. This would explain both the omission from the bibliography of the titles mentioned above, and also the absence of games from later than 2014.

I had contact with Carsten Hansen and he told me that he handed in the manuscript more than a year and a half before it was published. Jones’s books came out just as the editing was being completed.

Hansen will be putting out new Dragon books next year, digging into the theory a lot deeper than he was able to do in the move by move book. Great news!

Excellent news. Do you know which publisher he will be delivering these through?

No.
  
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Reply #44 - 08/10/18 at 10:10:12
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TD wrote on 08/09/18 at 18:15:17:
Seeley wrote on 07/27/16 at 21:17:29:
TD wrote on 07/27/16 at 21:02:19:
AJZ wrote on 07/27/16 at 19:14:22:
First notice: bibliography - no recent books by Jones or Negi included

Very strange indeed. And there seem to be no games after 2014.

Perhaps the book was written some time ago but the publishers preferred to delay publication so as to avoid a clash or near-clash with the publication date of Jones's two-volume work. I realise the intended audience is different but, even so, perhaps they felt buyers would be more likely to choose one or the other work if both came out at the same time, and more likely to buy both if there was a time interval between them. This would explain both the omission from the bibliography of the titles mentioned above, and also the absence of games from later than 2014.

I had contact with Carsten Hansen and he told me that he handed in the manuscript more than a year and a half before it was published. Jones’s books came out just as the editing was being completed.

Hansen will be putting out new Dragon books next year, digging into the theory a lot deeper than he was able to do in the move by move book. Great news!

Excellent news. Do you know which publisher he will be delivering these through?
  

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Reply #43 - 08/10/18 at 04:40:35
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For something different against the Yugoslav, check out Panjwani's own system given in his The Hyper Accelerated Dragon.
  
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Reply #42 - 08/09/18 at 18:15:17
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Seeley wrote on 07/27/16 at 21:17:29:
TD wrote on 07/27/16 at 21:02:19:
AJZ wrote on 07/27/16 at 19:14:22:
First notice: bibliography - no recent books by Jones or Negi included

Very strange indeed. And there seem to be no games after 2014.

Perhaps the book was written some time ago but the publishers preferred to delay publication so as to avoid a clash or near-clash with the publication date of Jones's two-volume work. I realise the intended audience is different but, even so, perhaps they felt buyers would be more likely to choose one or the other work if both came out at the same time, and more likely to buy both if there was a time interval between them. This would explain both the omission from the bibliography of the titles mentioned above, and also the absence of games from later than 2014.

I had contact with Carsten Hansen and he told me that he handed in the manuscript more than a year and a half before it was published. Jones’s books came out just as the editing was being completed.

Hansen will be putting out new Dragon books next year, digging into the theory a lot deeper than he was able to do in the move by move book. Great news!
  
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Reply #41 - 08/19/16 at 21:00:55
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Thanks.
  

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Reply #40 - 08/19/16 at 14:17:17
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MNb wrote on 08/14/16 at 17:03:15:
So 6.Nb3 Nf6 7.Be2 O-O 8.O-O d6 9.Bg5, 9.Re1 and 9.Kh1 remain.


On either 9.Re1, 9.Bg5 or 9.Kh1 "Jones" suggests Be6. On 9.Kh1 a6 10.a4 "move by move" move gives you 10...b6!? and 10...Be6 11.f4 Bxb3!?. I don't have "Dearing" with me cuz I'm on a trip. But Dearing probably covers 9.Bg5 a6, and different others.
I guess that in the long run you wanted to get them all.
  
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Reply #39 - 08/18/16 at 15:56:07
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Don't worry too much about spelling. If it's really bad I correct it for you.
Don't worry about my purchasing habits either. In time I'll decide to buy Jones (at first sight that one looks addressing my needs best) or Dearing.
I have one question left. Would playing 9.Kh1 a6 a good idea as well or is a plan with leaving the bishop on c1 more dangerous? Especially 10.a4 Be6 11.f4 ?
Again it would be nice to learn what Move by Move says about 10.Kh1. Light coverage as well?
  

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Reply #38 - 08/18/16 at 08:20:08
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Sorry for bad spelling. I meant no point of buying this book for that line and no other Dragon book either but if one insists on a book I would go for first hand Jones or Dearing since Move by Move has light coverage. Note to myself "Learn to read",
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Reply #37 - 08/17/16 at 03:13:48
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bragesjo wrote on 08/16/16 at 07:29:28:
There is no point of buyning a book for this line only. I would go for Jones or Dearning in this case to since Move by Move has to light coverade.

Thanks.

XChess1971 wrote on 08/16/16 at 12:46:07:
MNb in the Sicilian you have 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4. Also 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 g6 5.c4.

I've been pretty sure since more than 20 years that 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e5 (my choice as I wrote in my previous post) is not an Accelerated Dragon, but a Kalashnikov. I only play 3...g6 if White has played Nc3.
I'd welcome 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4 e6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Nf6 6.Nc3 as Black does excellently after Bb4. 4.Be2 b6 5.O-O Bb7 6.d4 cxd4 7.Nxd4 Qb8 also seems fine.
Tony Rotella recommends 2.c4 Nc6 3.Nc3 e5 4.Nf3 g6.
The Kalashnikov-Accelerated Dragon combo is waterproof.
  

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Reply #36 - 08/16/16 at 15:47:49
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Surely 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4 is comfortably answered by 3...e5.
  
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Reply #35 - 08/16/16 at 12:47:42
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I forgot MNb also you have 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4. There is 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.c4 as well.
  
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Reply #34 - 08/16/16 at 12:46:07
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MNb in the Sicilian you have 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4. Also 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 g6 5.c4. Unless you play 4...Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 which is a different kind of Accelerated Dragon.

And it is true the thread is taking a different route. But like I posted before about the book. Unfortunately it looks to me that it is not up to date. It doesn't touch the critical lines in the Burnett. And by move by move I myself would expect detailed coverage. I do not know if I am asking too much. Last night I found out that he touches The Yugoslav Attack 9.Bc4 Bd7 10.0-0-0 Rc8 11.Bb3 Ne5 12.h4 Nc4 13.Bxc4 Rxc4 14.h5. There are no sub-variations for move 14 and even worse no mention of the critical14.g4!. One key game is Ivanchuk-Schneider.

But on the other side I like the explanations of the 10.Bb3 Nxd4. How the theory on this system is right now? I do not know. But throughout the years I have understood that you need to be faster than your opponent in the attack especially if you exchange pieces. I rather keep most of the pieces for that. I respect GM Jones on the work of the Topalov System, but it feels like if it is some kind of forced pre-ending. Compared to 10.Bb3 Nxd4 black is already on the attack. I love GM Jones solution to the Rabinovich. Time will tell correctness. Carsten Hansen's coverage of the Chinese Dragon looks interesting. But still I would analyze and research up-to-date theory to avoid surprises. Especially after he only mentions 10.Bb3. No other moves.

Also there are correspondence games that show different ideas and tests. Those are not included either. All in all. I would use the book for the ideas and as a reference book.
  
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Reply #33 - 08/16/16 at 08:38:53
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I notice the topic isn't about the book anymore...
  
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Reply #32 - 08/16/16 at 07:29:28
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Yes the accelerated for white is a bit tricky if one wants to play the same line vs both Dragon and Accelerated. For a while I tried to have a two in one line so I tried g3 vs both in a few tournament games including drawing a 300 elo heigher in a 30 min game in accelerated when I missed the  win in time trouble. But at Internet some player delayed Nf6 and got in a quick f5 and I thought that if this is playable then I tried some other lines. Dragadorf is no problem either, I play Be3 to invite it and after a6 I play Be2 when black has been wasting time so this system is stronger than usuall, white has a a clear edge here. I play Marocy as white since I also enter positional mainlines vs Kalashnikov and Svechnikov, I also play d4 vs hyperaccelarated with the idea of playing Marocy if black allows.  Semi accelerated no problem here either. I dont play Be2 to avoid Svechnikov I play it to not allow black to get what he wants and in my experience club players dont understand the Boleslavsky variation or knows the points of my white Dragon pet line while the are very booked up on Bg5. The point of my Dragon pet line is that d5 is good for white since the e3 Bishop is not hanging so white can grab all material. that would have lost to Qe5 if the pawn had been at f3 and Nxd4 Bxd4 Be6 Kb1 is better for white so Ng4, paradoxy removing a kingside defender, is only move to maintain balance.

But  back to Karpov and a quick repertour. There is no point of buyning a book for this line only. I would go for Jones or Dearning in this case to since Move by Move has to light coverade. The idea for black is after Nc6 Nb3 a6 white has a choiche, I give a few lines from my memory.

A To prevent b5 by playing a4. After a4 black plays Be6 with the tactical point to f4 can be met by b5 becouse of Qb6+. Many players plays Kh1 first when black plays Rc8 when f4 is met by Na5.

B White allows b5 by playing Re1 (possible best line). Black has b5 and after something like Bf1 Bb7 Nd5 Nd7 etc with play for both sides.

C White allows b5 by playing f4. Black plays b5 after and Bf3 black can play both the tricky b4 when Na4 is forced or the mainline Bb7.
  
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Reply #31 - 08/14/16 at 17:03:15
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It's highly unlikely that I'll ever play the Dragon Proper. More than twenty years ago I have played the Accelerated Dragon (and even the Semi-Accelerated Dragon) for a while. Back then I already realized this avoids

(1) the Yugoslav Attack with 9.O-O-O
(2) the Yugoslav Attack with 9.g4.

That was in the time IM Silman advocated his gambit against the Maroczy Bind, eg Anka-Silman, Budapest 1994. And I realized some more.
When I gave up the French two years ago I bought Tony Rotella's excellent Killer Sicilian and worked my way through it. I liked it very much and quickly spotted a small but important error. Tony was kind and honest enough to admit it when I pointed it out to him.

"The problem is that normal moves like ...... 3...g6 ... are met by 4.d4, when we're out of our repertoire."
Nope. 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 g6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Bg7 not only avoids (1) and (2), but also

(3) the Maroczy Bind

and hence is an excellent complement to the Kalashnikov.
Of course I had to redo all my outdated work again. To my joy I could expand the list a bit more. Black can even avoid

(4) your Pseudo-Yugoslav with Be2 iso f3 as Black will play ...d5 in one go.
(5) the topical Yugoslav variation with 9.Bc4, 10.O-O-O, 11.Bb3 and 12.Kb1.

So I get 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 g6 4.d4 cxd4 5.Nxd4 Bg7 6.Be3 Nf6 7.Bc4 O-O 8.Bb3 d6 9.f3 Bd7. No doubt you will immediately recognize this as an irregular version of the Yugoslav Attack. There is a lot to say about this. Things are tricky from here due to many subtle transpositions. Any conclusion depends on two factors. The first is the evaluation of main systems like the Soltis and the Chinese Dragon; the second is the evaluation of independent options like the Forintos Variation (10...Nxd4 11.Bxd4 b5) which is quite similar to the Topalov Variation. White also has a few independent options available. While I don't underestimate the work involved (I have been doing quite some over the years) it's still less than the Dragon Proper. Plus there is the chance to bewilder White with smart move orders.

White can deviate with 9.h3 which becomes the Sozin-Short Variation (6.Bc4 against the Dragon).
Further back White has 7.Be2 O-O 8.Nb3 (8.Qd2 d5!) d6 9.O-O and about twenty years ago I won a nice corr. game with Be6 10.f4 Rc8 and the exchange sac on c3.
If anything then 7.Nxc6 bxc6 8.e5 Ng8 is good for Black.
Also I noticed that 6.Nde2 Nf6 7.g3 O-O 8.Bg2 Rb8 9.a4 a6 10.O-O b5 is an improved version (for Black)of the Counterfianchetto 6.g3 against the Dragon Proper.
So 6.Nb3 Nf6 7.Be2 O-O 8.O-O d6 9.Bg5, 9.Re1 and 9.Kh1 remain.

None of this is critical for my choice; I already have returned to the Kalashnikov. It just would be nice to complete my repertoire against 1.e4. As buying a 500 pages book on the Dragon Proper for 10 pages on these three Classical lines is not exactly economical I would appreciate it if some Dragon expert gave me a few hints (9.Bg5 a6 it will be). Books on the Accelerated Dragon probably are not very useful either, because they prefer to avoid the Dragon Proper, while I want to steer at it on my conditions.

Of course it would be fantastic if someone wrote a book on transposing (or not) from the Accelerated Dragon to the Dragon Proper. I pondered asking Tony Rotella, but he's still recovering from The Killer Sicilian.
  

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Re: Sicilian Dragon: Move by Move
Reply #30 - 08/14/16 at 14:22:54
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About Karpov system, all books I read concludes that black is equal in Nc6 Nb3 a6 line.
Move by Move covers it first than i covers the old line Be6 but both lines are only lightly covered.
When I said ail I mean all "modern" books written for black players.

Taylors "Slay the Sicilian" who was written for white advocaded both the Karpov system and Rabinoich attack (called Alekhine attack in the book).
Taylors firsthand recommendation was Alekhine attack attack where hes mainline is completly refuted by Jones in GM Repertour book.
Taylor thougt that white had "Karpovian edge" in Karpov system when some old verison of Fritz called the positon + 0.09.
When putting the position with Stockfish the evalutaion of Karpov system after a6 is 0.00 at ply 32 that indicated the position is dynamical balanced. Blacks has a potential weakness at d5 square and in some lines aslo the e7 pawn but dynamical factors compensates for that.
  
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Reply #29 - 08/14/16 at 07:39:07
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Move by move seemingly refers to the format with lots of text and especially the questions. Really deep/comprehensive theory not to be expected.
(The introduction actually explicitly denies trying to provide this.).
  
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I copied this remark from XChess1971: "I picked up Carsten Hansen book. And I feel disappointed. It is more like a book that shows you the plans. But it looks like if it is not up to date. I do not understand why it says "move by move". And it doesn't consider all of the moves. In the Burnett it doesn't touch the critical lines cited here. "

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Reply #27 - 08/13/16 at 16:53:23
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bragesjo wrote on 08/12/16 at 17:38:40:
About equality in Karpov system its no point discussing is common knowledge that black has equal chanses in mainlines like 8 .. Nc6 9 Nb3. a6.


That's an unhelpful answer. I asked a question, I did not intend to start a discussion. I asked you because I very well know you know a lot more about the Dragon than me. The answer may be common knowledge, I don't know it or I wouldn't have asked. You're not exactly a great guy for helping out an ignorant like me.
For instance you could have offered a couple of relevant and representative games to help me on my way. You preferred not to do so.
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Any questions about any concrete lines?

was not a sincere question then.
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Reply #26 - 08/13/16 at 13:19:39
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I can add that the reason switched opening was becouse the Dragon is difficult to keep up to developments and maintain many lines with long forced draws paricullary on short time controls. Instead of openings my chess time is dedicated towards studies of old masters.
Next on my list is tactics and endgames.
  
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Reply #25 - 08/12/16 at 17:38:40
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MNb wrote on 08/12/16 at 15:52:46:
bragesjo wrote on 08/12/16 at 10:38:56:
I got this book today. Any questions about any concrete lines?


I had one here:

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1450097237/8#8

I am happy to repeat it:

Which line in the Karpov system (Be2, Bg5) does maintain equality for Black according to you?
What does this book say about it?


About equality in Karpov system its no point discussing is common knowledge that black has equal chanses in mainlines like 8 .. Nc6 9 Nb3. a6, Unless something major has happended since I deserted the Dragon and it was for other reasons. True I lost team match once in Karpov system but my opponnet had about 500 more in Swedisch rating at that time (some 16 years ago) but I had nothing to do with the opening, He simply handled the middlegame better and won from an equal position, computer was even -0.1 evaluation at some point. He would have won regardless of opening since he played in Swedish Championships 2nd heigest class while I only played in small local tournaments and at Internet.

I think that openings in generall is about getting a comfortable position not to get a theoretical position one does not like or are unfamilar with. I play Be2 yugoslav like vs Dragon and Be2 systems vs some other sicilians and g3 position vs some. It gives no theoretical advantage but I gets a active practical position I like and understands and as a bonus I can play Be2 vs Classical with no fear of transposing to Dragon. Karpov was in my eyes a very practical player and I would say the Karpov system is about the same thing, getting a comfortable position easy to maintain.
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Reply #24 - 08/12/16 at 16:58:24
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The book is not comparable with Jones att all, is aimed for an other audiens.
The book covers every single system in the Dragon, including lines like Bc4 yugoslav with Qb8.
Burnett variation is covered but Burnett declined is not and accepted version only lightly covered.
The e5 Rb8 line in 9-0-0-0 line there is nothing new, the best line the book gives is a better endgame for white.
The book may be usuefull for introducing, explaning moves and give overview of Dragon but I am not shure of it as a repertoar book.
So If one is serioes and owns Jones book go for it instead.


  
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Reply #23 - 08/12/16 at 15:52:46
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bragesjo wrote on 08/12/16 at 10:38:56:
I got this book today. Any questions about any concrete lines?


I had one here:

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1450097237/8#8

I am happy to repeat it:

Which line in the Karpov system (Be2, Bg5) does maintain equality for Black according to you?
What does this book say about it?
  

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Reply #22 - 08/12/16 at 12:52:31
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bragesjo wrote on 08/12/16 at 10:38:56:
I got this book today. Any questions about any concrete lines?

First look indicates that my white pet line s Dragon is covered very little.


Could you tell us if it's worth to buy despite that one owns GM Jones books, please? Is there anything new and good for White in 9.0-0-0 d5 12.Bd4 e5 variation? How he sees the Chinese Dragon - sound enough? Is Burnett Declined that is 12.Kb1 mainline with 15. g5 Nh5 16. b3 b4 17. Nd5 included? Is there a lot of contribution from the author/is there anything new in the book?
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I got this book today. Any questions about any concrete lines?

First look indicates that my white pet line s Dragon is covered very little.
  
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Reply #20 - 07/31/16 at 03:08:22
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Some companies are laughable. I do not wanna say anything about certain GM whose main line book was refuted. In his DVD this GM smiles much more than explains each of the moves. I am very respectful of the GM, but I don't buy DVDs to see a GM smile.
  
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Reply #19 - 07/29/16 at 02:48:31
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The introduction is dated July 2016.
Really no games for 2015 / 2016?
If finished 2015, the date should (would?) not be 2016.


  
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Reply #18 - 07/28/16 at 11:17:59
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Perhaps someone from Everyman (Jon Tait?) can comment here?
Or someone can write to Everyman to query this?
Bad form if it is from 2014, I think.
One hopes that publishing companies have integrity, and one assumes this not to be the case...?
  
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Reply #17 - 07/28/16 at 07:17:01
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Seeley wrote on 07/27/16 at 21:17:29:
TD wrote on 07/27/16 at 21:02:19:
AJZ wrote on 07/27/16 at 19:14:22:
First notice: bibliography - no recent books by Jones or Negi included

Very strange indeed. And there seem to be no games after 2014.

Perhaps the book was written some time ago but the publishers preferred to delay publication so as to avoid a clash or near-clash with the publication date of Jones's two-volume work. I realise the intended audience is different but, even so, perhaps they felt buyers would be more likely to choose one or the other work if both came out at the same time, and more likely to buy both if there was a time interval between them. This would explain both the omission from the bibliography of the titles mentioned above, and also the absence of games from later than 2014.


I agree - probably that's the case: first publication date was October 2015.
The book still will be valuable for those making first steps in the Dragon to learn some patterns through extended pros and check which line they like the most. Then one can delve into Jones books to see the most reliable lines.
I won't buy it but will probably have a look at it when buying for my friend.
  
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Reply #16 - 07/27/16 at 21:17:29
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TD wrote on 07/27/16 at 21:02:19:
AJZ wrote on 07/27/16 at 19:14:22:
First notice: bibliography - no recent books by Jones or Negi included

Very strange indeed. And there seem to be no games after 2014.

Perhaps the book was written some time ago but the publishers preferred to delay publication so as to avoid a clash or near-clash with the publication date of Jones's two-volume work. I realise the intended audience is different but, even so, perhaps they felt buyers would be more likely to choose one or the other work if both came out at the same time, and more likely to buy both if there was a time interval between them. This would explain both the omission from the bibliography of the titles mentioned above, and also the absence of games from later than 2014.
  
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AJZ wrote on 07/27/16 at 19:14:22:
First notice: bibliography - no recent books by Jones or Negi included

Very strange indeed. And there seem to be no games after 2014.
  
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Reply #14 - 07/27/16 at 19:14:22
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First offers and an excerpt on amazon.co.uk:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1781942269/sr=8-1/qid=1469530502/ref=olp_product_det...

First notice: bibliography - no recent books by Jones or Negi included

  
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Reply #13 - 07/27/16 at 13:58:39
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I my first Dragon repertour I went for e5 line but theory developed.
I switched to Nxc3 line and later swithed opening. I have never played Bxd4 line since its not my taste

In Nxc3 line black can get very good compensation for the pawn if white does not play very very accurate.
I won a few nice games with it.
However white can get a += queen endgame in some line.
  
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Reply #12 - 07/24/16 at 16:56:05
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The 12...e5 lines are interesting. But throughout the years they were not much of my taste. Especially when white plays Bc5, then installs a knight on e4 and plays g4. The pre-endgame with 12..Bxd4 13.Qxd4 Qb6 looks interesting. But not much to my taste either. For me sounds much more interesting 12..Nxc3 13.Qxc3 Bh6+ 14.Be3 Bxe3 15.Qxe3 Qb6. What you guys think?
  
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Reply #11 - 07/22/16 at 21:50:59
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AJZ wrote on 07/22/16 at 10:42:00:
bragesjo wrote on 07/22/16 at 07:42:11:
If he could make e5 playable, particullery the old Rb8 line, I would return to Dragon at no time!


12...Bxd4 lines are good enough too - I checked them myself and found many ways when White can go wrong. Black has a7&c6 pawns weak but White pawns on the kingside are also quite weak: after h4 Black queen can jump to g3, after g4 Black knight has a good square on f4 and f3 pawn is weak. Moreover, a Black knight on d5 feels comfortable and if White plays c4, it weakens the White king position. Generally, the point is not to trade queens and you're good and if White goes all in on the queenside, Black might be quicker with pawns promotion on the kingside.
Black has an active play for static weaknesses. What about G. Jones book lines - not convincing enough?


It doesn't bother me at all in regards to the Dragon's soundness.  What bothers me is that the author is still calling the ...e5 variation the mainline.  I'd prefer he called it the old main line or something else. 

I'm sure Black has winning chances in the alternative variations but they're not really to my taste.  When you're weak like myself, you need tactical chances for a mating attack or win a rook for no compensation.
  
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Reply #10 - 07/22/16 at 10:42:00
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bragesjo wrote on 07/22/16 at 07:42:11:
If he could make e5 playable, particullery the old Rb8 line, I would return to Dragon at no time!


12...Bxd4 lines are good enough too - I checked them myself and found many ways when White can go wrong. Black has a7&c6 pawns weak but White pawns on the kingside are also quite weak: after h4 Black queen can jump to g3, after g4 Black knight has a good square on f4 and f3 pawn is weak. Moreover, a Black knight on d5 feels comfortable and if White plays c4, it weakens the White king position. Generally, the point is not to trade queens and you're good and if White goes all in on the queenside, Black might be quicker with pawns promotion on the kingside.
Black has an active play for static weaknesses. What about G. Jones book lines - not convincing enough?
  
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Glenn Snow wrote on 07/22/16 at 02:36:52:
I'm sure the book has a lot to offer but the following sentence bothers me a bit, "In Games 30 and 31, we enter the ‘real’ main line after 12...e5 13 Bc5, which has been the topic of discussion for many years."  That certainly used to be the main line of 9.O-O-O but since Black is close to lost after 12...e5 it certainly isn't the main line anymore.


That sentence bothers me too.
  
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If he could make e5 playable, particullery the old Rb8 line, I would return to Dragon at no time!
  
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I'm sure the book has a lot to offer but the following sentence bothers me a bit, "In Games 30 and 31, we enter the ‘real’ main line after 12...e5 13 Bc5, which has been the topic of discussion for many years."  That certainly used to be the main line of 9.O-O-O but since Black is close to lost after 12...e5 it certainly isn't the main line anymore.
  
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Reply #6 - 07/20/16 at 21:14:51
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pichorro wrote on 07/19/16 at 12:31:49:
I have the impression that a highly complex opening such as the Dragon Sicilian cannot be fully explained in a 'Move by Move' book, but at least I guess this can be a good introduction.


bragesjo wrote on 07/19/16 at 15:08:47:
I am a bit sceptical about a move by move on the dragon as repetour book.


The book might end as a good companion to GM Jones fundamental Dragon coverage. Carsten Hansen won't cover everything but if he manage to choose the most important lines/games, explain the ideas really well (e.g. why one shouldn't bother about weak pawns on a7&c6 in 9.0-0-0 12.Bd4 Bxd4 main line - what's "the compansation") and find some new ideas/improvements nobody will tell a bad word about the book. This is my wish about the book. Time will tell.
  
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Reply #5 - 07/19/16 at 19:42:24
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bragesjo wrote on 07/19/16 at 15:08:47:
I am a bit sceptical about a move by move on the dragon as repetour book.

Too much concerete lines, particullary Bc4 yugoslav and 9 0-0-0 yugoslav, and than add explanations and exercises the book would become 2000 page long. I will buy it when it comes for old times sake.

I would recommed something like the old book "Secrets oif Sicilian Dragon". It was not a repertour book but it had ideas form both sides.There was even a secoend edition under some new name but it did not covered new ideas the had been discovered in lines that did not exists back then.

Andrew Martin tried to write a starting out book about Sicilian Dragon but as I recell it was nto a convincing repertour on to few pages.



Was it the one by Sneider or by Gufeld and Stetsko?

My inspiration was from Ward's books. They weren't anywhere near 400 pages from what i can remember but got me playing confidently. Shame the lines werent sound   Cheesy

I've still got to read Eddie Dearing's book on the Dragon, must do so soon
  

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Reply #4 - 07/19/16 at 15:08:47
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I am a bit sceptical about a move by move on the dragon as repetour book.

Too much concerete lines, particullary Bc4 yugoslav and 9 0-0-0 yugoslav, and than add explanations and exercises the book would become 2000 page long. I will buy it when it comes for old times sake.

I would recommed something like the old book "Secrets oif Sicilian Dragon". It was not a repertour book but it had ideas form both sides.There was even a secoend edition under some new name but it did not covered new ideas the had been discovered in lines that did not exists back then.

Andrew Martin tried to write a starting out book about Sicilian Dragon but as I recell it was nto a convincing repertour on to few pages.



  
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I have the impression that a highly complex opening such as the Dragon Sicilian cannot be fully explained in a 'Move by Move' book, but at least I guess this can be a good introduction.
  
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Reply #2 - 07/18/16 at 20:22:23
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Excelllent. I thought the project may have been scrapped after it didnt come out in April, and i couldnt see a release date. It's due out August in Europe.
  

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Reply #1 - 07/18/16 at 15:36:20
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It's hard to tell from the excerpt anything about quality of the book. It's interesting/surprising that he didn't concentrate on narrow repetoire for Black as even the narrow would be a big one. Maybe he wanted to point why some lines aren't good - probably the only thing that excellent GM Jones books are lacking sometimes (for example: Jones chose 12...Bxd4! in the 9.0-0-0 mainline but said nothing, not even briefly, about 12...e5?! and 12...Nxc3!?)
We can only trust in Hansen name as he produced some very good books in the past, including the one about the Accelerated Dragon.
  
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