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Re: Taking advantage of delayed c4
Reply #6 - 03/06/18 at 19:17:03
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I have not experience with your final position. It looks good to me.

I looked at your idea in a related position after:

1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 e6 3. Bg2 Nf6 4. O-O b5!?

Here 5d4 Bb7 would get to your position. However 5d3 taking the game towards a King's Indian Attack may be better.
  
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Re: Taking advantage of delayed c4
Reply #5 - 02/27/18 at 20:38:57
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The same line is recommended by Ntirlis in Playing 1. d4 d5.
  
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Re: Taking advantage of delayed c4
Reply #4 - 02/26/18 at 19:31:55
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Laramonet wrote on 08/25/16 at 15:35:47:
Playing the QGD and wanting to face the Catalan with a Bb4+ system, the move-order 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.g3 annoys me.... It's just occurred to me, is there anything wrong with b5 to "punish" the delay in c4?

That is 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.g3 e6 4.Bg2 b5 5.0-0 Bb7. ... Anyone had any experience on either side ?


A similar idea is 1Nf3 Nf6 2g3 b5!?

Like you, I have been challenged when white delays c4. He can move-order black into a Catalan variation that he would not have normally chosen. Many of the Open Catalan lines are not available and, as you noted, Black can no longer play a closed Catalan/Bogo-Indian with Bb4ch.

I think white's idea could even gain in impact if he is open playing a Catalan, a Reti, a King's Indian attack, or a reversed Grunfeld, as circumstances dictate.

I think all this deserves attention from the players of the black pieces. Right now, I rather like 1Nf3 Nf6 2g3 b5!? as an idea for black. There are also lines (D02, A46) with an early c5xd4. For example, 1d4 d5 2Nf3 Nf6 3g3 e6 4Bg2 c5 50-0 cxd 6Nxd4 e5!? or 5c4 cxd 6Nxd4 e5!? I think these lines promise equal chances. But white has other ways to play too. This is a game of cat and mouse. I'm one player who would appreciate a somewhat complete look from the black side.
  
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Re: Taking advantage of delayed c4
Reply #3 - 08/25/16 at 20:36:55
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Well, isn't that exactly what Avrukh recommends in Beating 1. d4 Sidelines?
  
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Re: Taking advantage of delayed c4
Reply #2 - 08/25/16 at 18:27:19
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Thanks Martin. There is one player in the region I play who plays this exclusively. I had a decent position with Bf5 and c6 the last time we played but I'll feel almost vindicated to be playing something that "exploits" the delayed c4.
All the best.
  
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Re: Taking advantage of delayed c4
Reply #1 - 08/25/16 at 16:45:14
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Utterly nothing no. Lots of high powered GM games in various move orders.

In my rather modest experience at a half decent club player level it's very effective there as white players don't know what to do, and if white is a bit passive vs this they really don't get anywhere.
  
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Taking advantage of delayed c4
08/25/16 at 15:35:47
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Playing the QGD and wanting to face the Catalan with a Bb4+ system, the move-order 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.g3 annoys me, for no rational reason ! I know the Bf5 or Bg4 with c6 systems are supposed to be fine for Black. I've even found a Short game where he combined 3.g3 Bf5 with e6. It's just occurred to me, is there anything wrong with b5 to "punish" the delay in c4 ?
That is 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.g3 e6 4.Bg2 b5 5.0-0 Bb7. Having found a game won by Kramnik as Black against Huebner, I'm sure there's nothing "wrong" with it. Anyone had any experience on either side ?
  
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