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Reply #41 - 02/28/18 at 02:25:46
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I just got explosive and am looking at the the early English chapters, I was sort of sceptical, but the ideas sort of grow on you after a bit, and the engines like the positions too.
  
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Reply #40 - 03/23/17 at 12:23:15
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Thanks for the information. Ordered both Kornev volumes today.
  
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Reply #39 - 03/22/17 at 21:57:19
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He recommends the following:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Qd2 c6

6.Nf3 0-0 (p.250) with (7.Bh6 b5 8.Bd3 Bg4), (7.h3 Nbd7 8.Bd3 e5) and (7.a4 Nbd7 8.Be2 e5)
6.f3 b5 (p.265) with (7.g4 h5 8.g5 Nfd7 9.f4 b4!?)
6.0-0-0 b5 7.f3 Qa5 (p.276) with (8.Kb1 Nbd7)

Many thanks, C_b_T! It seems that all three answers to 4 Be3 are in reasonable health at the moment! I notice that Onischuk, among others, has played both 4 ...c6 and 4 ...a6 quite a bit recently ...
  
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Reply #38 - 03/21/17 at 17:04:34
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 03/21/17 at 16:53:39:
Don't have Yrjölä and Tella. Quite like Barskys 1...d6 book though


If you combine Kornev and Barsky, then you can't go 1. c4 Nf6 as per Kornev as you are in a full fat KID, and Barsky only covers 1. d4 d6.

You can get to a KID set up via e.g. 1. c4 e5 or 1. c4 d6
Explosive repertoire covers you there.
  

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Reply #37 - 03/21/17 at 16:59:49
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 03/21/17 at 16:53:39:
Ideally one without 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3 Bg4 as a load-bearing part of the construct http://www.chesspub.com/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/cheesy.gif


I've a dabbled with and ditched the Wade variation.
  

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Reply #36 - 03/21/17 at 16:53:39
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 03/21/17 at 16:12:11:
Personally I would like to see a serious non-Nf6 KID repertoire some day. Likely a looooooong way of though.
JEH wrote on 03/21/17 at 16:16:57:
Add "A Universal Weapon 1.D4 D6 by Vladimir Barsky" and Chess Stars have pretty much got you set up for it, you just need to handle the English via 1. ..e5 rather than 1. ..Nf6

Alternatively, add "Explosive Repertoire" to Kornev, and you are there too  Cool

Ideally one without 1.d4 d6 2.Nf3 Bg4 as a load-bearing part of the construct Cheesy.

Don't have Yrjölä and Tella. Quite like Barskys 1...d6 book though Smiley.

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Reply #35 - 03/21/17 at 16:16:57
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 03/21/17 at 16:12:11:
Personally I would like to see a serious non-Nf6 KID repertoire some day


Add "A Universal Weapon 1.D4 D6 by Vladimir Barsky" and Chess Stars have pretty much got you set up for it, you just need to handle the English via 1. ..e5 rather than 1. ..Nf6

Alternatively, add "Explosive Repertoire" to Kornev, and you are there too  Cool

  

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Reply #34 - 03/21/17 at 16:12:11
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MNb wrote on 03/20/17 at 20:39:36:
Ah, Kornev gives White something to work with: the pair of bishops. It's not much, sure, but as the position might get open at some point it's a little bit more than absolutely nothing.
I would rather recommend 7...h5 8.Nh3 Nbd7 9.Ng5 Qa5 as I think it a very tough nut to crack for White, who won't get the sharp play he/she'd expect after Be3, Qd2 and f3.
Just my patzer opinion of course.

To be fair though. White also gets a misplaced rook to work with. Smiley

In my experience a decent percentage of white players are inclined not to go Nh3 as long as Bxh3 is possible, while quite a few black players (basically including me, even though I would seriously consider Bxh3 against a stronger opponent to get the game less dynamic) are not to keen on going Bxh3 when they see Nh3. Interesting strategic choice/-es anyway. Hard to say what is objectively best.

Paul Brondal wrote on 03/21/17 at 09:02:58:
Confused_by_Theory do you recommend this book? Do you have Kornev's volume II on the KID? I'm crazy about the Modern Tiger which is packed with thoroughly annotated games but it would be nice to have alternatives, especially playing a "clean" KID and also playing the Modern/Pirc several ways.

Yes. Korneev makes a good effort and the book is very nice. I don't know how to put it in another way. Still. You will need to study other lines as well. In the long term you will get problems if you don't do this and face competent opposition regularly.

Tiger's book is filled with a bit more random stuff, but I like it very much as well (Have a signed copy - "Good luck with this folly" sign. Tiger Grin). If there is a choice I need to make about which book to bring to tournaments I've brought Tiger's even over Vigus' book many times and that  says a lot because I think Vigus book is the best I've read so far and I got it as one of my earliest chess books.

Well. Korneev covers the clean KID in his other volume (Edit: which I have) so getting both is not non-sensical.
Personally I would like to see a serious non-Nf6 KID repertoire some day. Likely a looooooong way of though.

Have a nice day.
  
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Reply #33 - 03/21/17 at 09:02:58
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Confused_by_Theory do you recommend this book? Do you have Kornev's volume II on the KID? I'm crazy about the Modern Tiger which is packed with thoroughly annotated games but it would be nice to have alternatives, especially playing a "clean" KID and also playing the Modern/Pirc several ways.
  
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Reply #32 - 03/20/17 at 20:39:36
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Ah, Kornev gives White something to work with: the pair of bishops. It's not much, sure, but as the position might get open at some point it's a little bit more than absolutely nothing.
I would rather recommend 7...h5 8.Nh3 Nbd7 9.Ng5 Qa5 as I think it a very tough nut to crack for White, who won't get the sharp play he/she'd expect after Be3, Qd2 and f3.
Just my patzer opinion of course.
  

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Reply #31 - 03/20/17 at 04:04:41
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Hello.

1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Qd2 c6 6.f3 b5 7.h4

7...h5 is recommended. (8.Nh3 Bxh3) also (8.a3, 8.a4 and 8.0-0-0 get lines).

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Reply #30 - 03/19/17 at 16:33:12
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 03/19/17 at 05:27:38:
He recommends the following:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Qd2 c6

6.Nf3 0-0 (p.250) with (7.Bh6 b5 8.Bd3 Bg4), (7.h3 Nbd7 8.Bd3 e5) and (7.a4 Nbd7 8.Be2 e5)
6.f3 b5 (p.265) with (7.g4 h5 8.g5 Nfd7 9.f4 b4!?)
6.0-0-0 b5 7.f3 Qa5 (p.276) with (8.Kb1 Nbd7)

Have a nice day.


To get things complete - what about 6.f3 b5 7.h4 (imo most promising, but not promising more than interesting equality) ?
  

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Reply #29 - 03/19/17 at 05:27:38
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Michael Ayton wrote on 03/18/17 at 11:31:10:
What does he recommend after 5 Qd2 c6 (presumably) 6 Nf3, and after 6 f3 b5 (assuming he gives this) 7 g4? (After 6 0-0-0 I imagine Black should play 6 ...b5 7 f3 Qa5!?.)

He recommends the following:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Qd2 c6

6.Nf3 0-0 (p.250) with (7.Bh6 b5 8.Bd3 Bg4), (7.h3 Nbd7 8.Bd3 e5) and (7.a4 Nbd7 8.Be2 e5)
6.f3 b5 (p.265) with (7.g4 h5 8.g5 Nfd7 9.f4 b4!?)
6.0-0-0 b5 7.f3 Qa5 (p.276) with (8.Kb1 Nbd7)

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Reply #28 - 03/18/17 at 11:31:10
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Basically the sequence:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 e6 7.Qd2! Looks to me a bit problematic.

What does he recommend after 5 Qd2 c6 (presumably) 6 Nf3, and after 6 f3 b5 (assuming he gives this) 7 g4? (After 6 0-0-0 I imagine Black should play 6 ...b5 7 f3 Qa5!?.)
  
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Reply #27 - 01/28/17 at 07:42:53
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 01/28/17 at 07:14:26:
If I would've guessed beforehand I would've guessed for 6...Bg4



I was hoping for 6. ..c6 as 6. ..Bg4 has been my main choice and I like more options, but I may well look into 6. ..e6 at  some point as it would serve the same purpose and White players are less likely to be ready for it.
  

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Reply #26 - 01/28/17 at 07:14:26
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MNb wrote on 01/27/17 at 20:34:07:
Looks to me 6...Ng4 7.Bg5 h6 is a valuable extra option for Black.

First thought for me was that 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 a6 has to have been covered somewhere in earlier litterature. Didn't bother to check though. Tongue

Other than that.
6...e6 Is what Kornev went for so I'll just mention that again for those with a three second memory.
6...Ng4, To confuse matters somewhat. Yea sure, why not.
6...e5 looks playable-ish as always.
6...Nc6 And compared to the classical variation white having played Be3 instead of castling short looks like a refinement of very marginal importance, if any.
6...Nbd7 Does not get hit with a quick e5, like in the Classical and has to be playable.
6...b6 is liked by the computer and it is unlikely white has any immediate way to trouble black.

Summa summarum is that there are options. For sure.

Have a nice day.

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JEH wrote on 01/27/17 at 20:21:41:
I agree that 6. ..e6 is the stand out odd choice vs the Be2 Karpov Classical, but it's not so much that that, but it's his reasons to dismiss 6. ..Bg4 (my best scoring Pirc line) and 6. ..c6. For the latter Kornev just gives one short line with 6. ..c6 7. a4 Nbd7 when on Marin's DVD he mentions that he found from experience that 7. ..Qc7 was better and something along the lines that classical principles like develop the Knight before the Queen don't apply to the Pirc 

If I would've guessed beforehand I would've guessed for 6...Bg4 being recommended (principled line, not so hard to learn and lots of chances to find new wrinkles because of both sides having fundamentally quite stable and option filled positions).
  
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 01/27/17 at 16:38:37:
Basically the sequence:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 e6 7.Qd2! Looks to me a bit problematic. Black has the possibility to go for a hippo setup... sort of. With the queen on d2 he will never get in h6 though, making his hippo look a bit crippled. Now even crippled hippos should be potentially dangerous, but do you really want to play this if you can never get in h6? Looks to me like both Bh6 and Bg5 are valuable extra options for white.

Looks to me 6...Ng4 7.Bg5 h6 is a valuable extra option for Black.
  

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I agree that 6. ..e6 is the stand out odd choice vs the Be2 Karpov Classical, but it's not so much that that, but it's his reasons to dismiss 6. ..Bg4 (my best scoring Pirc line) and 6. ..c6. For the latter Kornev just gives one short line with 6. ..c6 7. a4 Nbd7 when on Marin's DVD he mentions that he found from experience that 7. ..Qc7 was better and something along the lines that classical principles like develop the Knight before the Queen don't apply to the Pirc 
  

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Reply #23 - 01/27/17 at 20:09:37
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I will spare him the wrath of my pen for this one  Grin

  

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Reply #22 - 01/27/17 at 16:38:37
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Reading the book more I can say that it definitely is a real repertoire book. Breadth of the lines covered is good. Sidelines are taken with seriosity though at the same time not covered to immense proportions; so thumbs up for that.

When it comes to line choices in the Pirc section (have not checked the other stuff as much yet). For me at least, I was seriously off in my predictions of what lines were going to be in the book. In general the author goes for sort of principled setups with 4...Bg7 against almost everything (actually, probably just everything). This is usually good in 95% of cases, although as white players these days probably are mostly aware it does give options for a quick Qd2+Bh6 in all of the 4.Be3, 4.Bf4 and 4.Bg5 lines (have yet to see anyone playing 4.Bd2 Bg7 5.Qc1. Maybe some day though Wink).

The remedy chosen against 4.Be3 and 4.Bf4 followed by 5.Qd2+6.Bh6 is, as detailed earlier, a line leading (with white cooperation) to a sort of late middlegame without queens where black has not, momentarily at least, equalised. One can certainly argue there are practical grounds for not having such a line in a repertoire and I seriosuly thought it would be avoided.

Against 4.Bg5 going 4...Bg7 5.Qd2 c6 is certainly a possibility as well, although for whatever reason the author avoided it (does it not seem at least a mildly practical recommendation?). Instead we see 5...h6 and now three lines:
6.Bf4 a6
6.Bh4 g5
6.Bh4 0-0

There is a reason given for not going 6.Bf4 g5 so one can understand something else is chosen there. The other lines, perhaps especially 6...g5, have their followers. Both are not obviously equalising though and at least to me, in different ways, they do seem to be a bit positionally loosening. That is basically why I thought something else would be chosen as repertoire recommendation.

The classical system:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Be2 0-0 6.0-0
Sees a sort of combative all to play for line chosen, in the form of 6...e6. My view on this is that 6...e6 is a fairly positional line without the same basic charateristics as many of the other lines in the repertoire. Here you actively try not to engage white and you only slowly bring your pieces into play. Most of the rest of the repertoire for black seems to be more about getting out with your pieces well and not backing from concrete play if needed. So yea. This line stands out a bit for me.

The Fianchetto variation:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.g3
Is covered as well of course and the following line is seen:
4...Bg7 5.Bg2 0-0 6.Nge2 e5 7.h3 c6 8.a4 a5 9.0-0 Na6
This seems to be a fairly positional way of playing and some sort of strategic battle seems likely. In my view, even if this variation is quite interesting, there are simpler lines against 4.g3.


Saving the best for last. I can say that in the Austrian attack castling is the choice.
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0

Now in the main line of 6.Bd3 the reply chosen is 6...Nc6 (aiming for e5) and after 7.0-0 e5 8.fxe5 dxe5 9.d5 the principled looking 9...Nd4 is given over the alternative 9...Ne7. This Nc6+Nd4 I actually thought was coming because black seems to have good chances of equalising if he knows his stuff and if white plays sub-optimally black often has reasonable activity and can start to play for advantage.

In the somewhat strangely sidelineised 6.Be3 line 6...b6 with 7.Qd2 Bb7 is given. Reasonable indeed.

And finally 6.Be2 does get met by the main reply 6...c5


So yea. These are my thoughts on the Pirc section of the book. In general pleased with most things except a lot of the actual lines chosen (but this is also very much a matter of taste). I thought I'd mention one small hole I noticed (bring out the pen JEH. Grin) and then not really go in to much more specifics on the chosen lines.

I'm thinking that if white goes:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2
Sort of rare but reasonable looking move. Kornev on p.243 mentions we should go to chapter 23 (p.305) - The chapter on the classical variation for those without the book.
There he mentions that 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Be2 0-0 6.Be3 e6 7.0-0 transposes into his coverage of 6.0-0 e6.

Basically the sequence:
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 e6 7.Qd2! Looks to me a bit problematic. Black has the possibility to go for a hippo setup... sort of. With the queen on d2 he will never get in h6 though, making his hippo look a bit crippled. Now even crippled hippos should be potentially dangerous, but do you really want to play this if you can never get in h6? Looks to me like both Bh6 and Bg5 are valuable extra options for white.

Have a nice day.

Edit: Lots of personal opinion in the above post of course. Sorry if its a bit overwhelming.
  
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Reply #21 - 01/25/17 at 16:41:25
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JEH wrote on 01/25/17 at 10:03:40:
I guess the reason page numbers aren't used as whilst the book is being produced, the page numbers wouldn't be known.

Good point.

Bit of extra work to fix after the book manuscript is done I suppose.



To start some discussion about lines. Thought a bit about how he coverage was of lines that, how to put it... should be on the author's radar.


I cross-checked with IM Greet's effort from 2011, recommending the 6.Be3 Austrian. Nothing major to say. Kornev goes for a resonably solid line in which Greet did not have anything major. divergence point is on move 20 (see. Kornev 2016 p.340 and Greet 2011 p.119).

As noted earlier the book does say go for 4.Be3 Bg7 and then 5.Qd2 c6.
In the 6.Bh6 line, recommended by GM Shaw in his book from earlier this year, coverage is quite narrow focusing only on Shaw's (+MVL's) 15.Rhe1 and giving Lagrave-Peralta, Tromsø 2014 as illustrative game.

The line 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.e5 dxe5 is recommended. Tiger Hillarp's 6...Nfd7 7.Bc4, mildly endorsed in his book from 2014, is thus avoided.

Another line mentione in The Modern Tiger: 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Be2 0-0 6.0-0 e6 7.e5!?, thought to lead to some pressure there, is tackled by verbal dismissal of white's chances followed by showing Andriuschenko-Nyvlt, corr 2014.

Karjakin's new favorite 4.f4 Bg7 5.Bd3 is met simply by 5...0-0 with transpositions; instead of the more combative 5...Nc6.

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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 01/24/17 at 15:29:17:
- Chapter order. Don't get. Not sure how much thought has gone towards this anyway.


Chapter order for me depends on if the book is one I would read (e.g. a Move by Move or a Staring Out Book) or one I would reference (e.g. a Quality GM repertoire).

I put this book in the reference pile, so what is important to have, especially in a repertoire with so many transpositions is good cross references and indexes.

I guess the reason page numbers aren't used as whilst the book is being produced, the page numbers wouldn't be known.

Some of my most used books have key page cross refs penned into the margin, and sometimes extra game refs and lines. My first edition of Pirc Alert is a veritable graffiti artwork of additional penned in information, I got a good work out on that one! Even Vigus's  'Pirc in Black and White' wasn't immune.

So if Kornev's book stays shy of my pen, then he's done a good job  Wink
  

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Reply #19 - 01/24/17 at 15:29:17
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Hi.

I have the book now.

General impressions:

- Lots of coverage of Reti, Closed Sicilians and offbeat Pircs. Quite nice to see for sure.

- Chapter order. Don't get. Not sure how much thought has gone towards this anyway.

- Does cover move order transpositions quite well. Don't really get why page number references are not used though. Pirc transpositions are a pain.


Pirc Lines:

Will check a bit more before I say anything about the concrete lines, though relatively immediately I noticed some things.


Probably will just edit this post at some point (with more observations).

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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 01/13/17 at 22:17:57:
In general I am disappointed 13...f5 was chosen as the cut off point.


Considering the size and scope of the book, this may not be the only case.

4. Bg5 is quite a bugbear. The book gives 6. ..g5 and 6. ..0-0!? I think this is the only part of the repertoire where there are two options. This might be telling  Huh

For practical purposes, in this sort of defence (i.e. you are going for unbalance with some risk rather than full equality), you need to have multiple options ready and more than two in some cases!

By offering the full on King's Indian as the sister opening, once that has been assimilated, the Modern move order could be used against Bg5 specialists.
  

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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 01/13/17 at 22:17:57:
Hi.

fling wrote on 01/13/17 at 19:05:01:
Well, the analysis stops at 13...f5=.

Thanks fling.

fling wrote on 01/13/17 at 19:05:01:
"Later, Black can prepare an attack against the enemy king on the semi-open b-file and can also plan a transfer of his knight to the weakened e4-square".

Optimistic imo.

In general I am disappointed 13...f5 was chosen as the cut off point. Seems to me like black still has some problems to solve in the early middlegame. While highlighting ideas such as attacking on the open b-file and going Nd7-f6-e4 is perhaps useful (don't see how either would work though) I dislike them being brought up in connection with an evaluation that way.

Have a nice day.


You are welcome!

Well, I just had a brief look, and agree that it seems like White's position is easier to play and there may be something. If the authors felt it is equal, they should have added some explanation more than a general plan, when the position is that concrete.
  
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Hi.

fling wrote on 01/13/17 at 19:05:01:
Well, the analysis stops at 13...f5=.

Thanks fling.

fling wrote on 01/13/17 at 19:05:01:
"Later, Black can prepare an attack against the enemy king on the semi-open b-file and can also plan a transfer of his knight to the weakened e4-square".

Optimistic imo.

In general I am disappointed 13...f5 was chosen as the cut off point. Seems to me like black still has some problems to solve in the early middlegame. While highlighting ideas such as attacking on the open b-file and going Nd7-f6-e4 is perhaps useful (don't see how either would work though) I dislike them being brought up in connection with an evaluation that way.

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Well, the analysis stops at 13...f5=. "Later, Black can prepare an attack against the enemy king on the semi-open b-file and can also plan a transfer of his knight to the weakened e4-square".
  
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Hey.

I have yet not got this book Sad (Will soon of course...).

Until then I much wonder how
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Bg5 Bg7 5.Qd2 h6 6.Bh4 0-0!? 7.0-0-0
Is dealt with. The more I look at it the less I like black; even if white probably has to show some precision early on to avoid black getting quite sensible setups. Some lines:


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Very pleased to see one of my games selected as model play for Black in one of the variations  Cool

Only had a quick look at the recomendations and so far I'm very happy Smiley

Smiley Lots of new stuff to try out! Smiley
  

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I have never liked the Nc6 lines here (seems too artificial), or the extended fianchetto stuff (i.e. with g5. too weakening), even though they have been played and recommended often. Even the c5 lines are somewhat shaky too.

After nudging the Bishop, there are other options apart from Nc6  or g5, like the universal c6 and going for the usual stuff.

I'm still looking forward to getting my hands on this book  Cool

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Hi.

Fllg wrote on 12/22/16 at 19:13:21:
After 5...h6 Shaw´s 6.Bf4 is only a sideline. To his credit Kornev recommends 6...a6 here (because he doesn´t like 6...g5 7.Be3 Ng4 8.h4 for Black) which in return isn´t mentioned by Shaw.

Great. 6...a6 Looks like the best line imo Smiley.

Fllg wrote on 12/22/16 at 19:13:21:
However, the two books merge again after 6.Bh4 (or 6.Bf4) g5 7.Bg3 Nh5 8.0-0-0 Nc6 9.Qe3 Bd7 10.Be2 when they both cite the game Holdschik - Gildred, Chessfriend.com 2004. After the further 10...Nxg3 11.hxg3 e5 12.dxe5 Nxe5 13.f4 Ng4 14.Bxg4 Bxg4 15.Nf3 c6 16.e5 Shaw stops and evaluates the position as clearly better for White while Kornev follows the game a little longer with 16...Qb6 17.Qxb6 axb6 18.Rxd6 Bf8 and attests Black compensation for the pawn. No further explanation is given and at first glance Shaw´s assessment seems nearer to the truth to me.

Don't really get why anyone would want to go into that as black (and consequently why it is in a repertoire book Huh). Further 13.Kb1 looks like a hot contender for line-buster as well.

Fllg wrote on 12/22/16 at 19:13:21:
But Kornev also analyses 6.Bh4 0-0 which may be more reliable for Black.

This I looked at a little bit. Can't say I found anything truly inspiring for black. If white goes for what is likely the critical line, 7.0-0-0, black seemed to benefit in many lines from white having castled long though.


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AJZ wrote on 12/22/16 at 06:40:18:
How 5...h6 compares to Shaw's treatment?


After 5...h6 Shaw´s 6.Bf4 is only a sideline. To his credit Kornev recommends 6...a6 here (because he doesn´t like 6...g5 7.Be3 Ng4 8.h4 for Black) which in return isn´t mentioned by Shaw.

However, the two books merge again after 6.Bh4 (or 6.Bf4) g5 7.Bg3 Nh5 8.0-0-0 Nc6 9.Qe3 Bd7 10.Be2 when they both cite the game Holdschik - Gildred, Chessfriend.com 2004. After the further 10...Nxg3 11.hxg3 e5 12.dxe5 Nxe5 13.f4 Ng4 14.Bxg4 Bxg4 15.Nf3 c6 16.e5 Shaw stops and evaluates the position as clearly better for White while Kornev follows the game a little longer with 16...Qb6 17.Qxb6 axb6 18.Rxd6 Bf8 and attests Black compensation for the pawn. No further explanation is given and at first glance Shaw´s assessment seems nearer to the truth to me.

But Kornev also analyses 6.Bh4 0-0 which may be more reliable for Black.
  
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AJZ wrote on 12/22/16 at 06:40:18:
after 4.Be3 I prefer 4...a6, and in 4.Bg5 line 5...h6 and not 5...c6


You could think of it as more options  Smiley
  

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Fllg wrote on 12/20/16 at 18:41:37:
AJZ wrote on 12/20/16 at 08:01:25:
I'm particularly interested in theoretical duel with J. Shaw.


I´m afraid in that case you may be disappointed.

I bought the book on Forward Chess and the Preface dates "December 2016"
but the bibliography somewhat strangely does not contain Shaw´s "Playing 1.e4" at all.

I do not have the time to compare everything right now but it´s noticable that in the line 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Qd2 c6 6.Bh6 Bxh6 7.Qxh6 Qa5 8.Bd3 c5 9.d5 Nbd7 10.Nf3 Kornev correctly gives 10...c4! as best but fails to consider an improvement given by Shaw later on.

However, Shaw reaches this position after 4.Bg5 when Kornev recommends 4...Bg7 5.Qd2 h6 instead of 5...c6.



Well, it's a little dissapointing indeed. Nonetheless, as after 4.Be3 I prefer 4...a6, and in 4.Bg5 line 5...h6 and not 5...c6, I'm still hoping for decent treatment at least the later lines. How 5...h6 compares to Shaw's treatment?
  
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AJZ wrote on 12/20/16 at 08:01:25:
I'm particularly interested in theoretical duel with J. Shaw.


I´m afraid in that case you may be disappointed.

I bought the book on Forward Chess and the Preface dates "December 2016"
but the bibliography somewhat strangely does not contain Shaw´s "Playing 1.e4" at all.

I do not have the time to compare everything right now but it´s noticable that in the line 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be3 Bg7 5.Qd2 c6 6.Bh6 Bxh6 7.Qxh6 Qa5 8.Bd3 c5 9.d5 Nbd7 10.Nf3 Kornev correctly gives 10...c4! as best but fails to consider an improvement given by Shaw later on.

However, Shaw reaches this position after 4.Bg5 when Kornev recommends 4...Bg7 5.Qd2 h6 instead of 5...c6.

  
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JEH wrote on 12/20/16 at 10:55:36:
Smiley

Not a good time of year to get books delivered fast, and I want it NOW!

So I plan to get it from the Book stall in Hastings next week. Apologies if I trample you in the rush  Smiley


I'll be buying from Russia (cheaper and hardcover ed.  Smiley), so I'm going to wait longer than you. Sad
  
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Not a good time of year to get books delivered fast, and I want it NOW!

So I plan to get it from the Book stall in Hastings next week. Apologies if I trample you in the rush  Smiley
  

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The book is out:
http://www.chess-stars.com/index.html

Waiting for your impressions/assessments, especially about the Pirc. I'm particularly interested in theoretical duel with J. Shaw.
  
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Bit odd to note that the Austrian 6 Be3 is covered in 'not Be2/Bd3'. see p.263. It's a serious line boys and girls, give it a section. Respect it. From a practical OTB, and very much a sales perspective, it has been recommended in repertoire books.

Yes, very good to see the repertoire aspect. But as noted earlier, I'd have thought a discussion of 1 d4 d6 would have been well worth having. For those with a historical leaning, the Yrjola/Tella book is splendid in that regard. Quality.

(With due sincere apologies to Mr Y - I do not know how to to do Finnish letters, umlauts and things, whatever they are, sorry).
  
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Re: A real repertoire book, it's nice to see around 10 pages in that TOC devoted to White's 2nd move alternatives. Coverage of them has been sorely lacking in previous Pirc books, even purported repertoire books and complete/ultimate type books.

Especially 1.e4 d6 2.Nc3 (trying to play like a Grand Prix Attack or Closed Sicilian) and 2.c4 are difficult to face if you are taken by surprise. 2.d3 can lead to a KIA or some weird symmetrical stuff.
  

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Hey.

Good to see this coming closer to publication. My one hope is that it will be a real repertoire book. Am not terribly pleased with other Pirc publications when it comes to using them as repertoire books.

Looking at the table of contents It is indeed hard to come to many firm concusions about lines chosen. We do see that the 5...0-0 Austrian is recommended. This is not hugely surprising though considering 5...c5 is forcing and theory-heavy (though also at least not easy to gain an edge against on a meta-theoretical level). Other than that one can maybe compare number of pages devoted to each line. There seems to be many pages for 4.g3, few for 4.Bg5 and possibly quite few for 4.Be3 and 4.f3 systems. We'll see how content filled every page is though.

Have a nice day.


Edit (shortly after posting): Oh! And there's a KID book as well. Only see it adding to the KID player's arsenal if somewhat diverges from Vigorito and Kotronias (even with their books published it's going to be hard to match their level of analysis). Rich opening though so I'm sure Korneev will come up with something nice somewhere.
  
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An update from Chess Stars Publishing - vol. 1 with the Pirc among others is due to be released in December whilst vol. 2, which is solely about King's Indian will be released soon:

http://www.chess-stars.com/Future_Plans.html

KI material is 2x bigger than Pirc as for now (vol. 1 might be bigger in the end I think), which is not that surprising.

Any thoughts about chosen lines in the Pirc book, despite the fact that not much was revealed?
  
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