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Re: Best practical book on French for black
Reply #39 - 08/21/17 at 12:28:06
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Jupp53 wrote on 08/12/17 at 18:02:19:
Because it is hard to get - would you please give a short explanation for skipping later editions.


I have all the editions, but the first just captures the spirit of the French for me. In later editions he tried to over-elaborate, not saying those books are no good - there is very interesting stuff there, but as a best practical book definitely look at the first edition.


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Reply #38 - 08/21/17 at 06:48:43
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I'd say Eingorn's 'A Rock Solid Repertoire for Black' comes closest to what you are after, although to play the lines at an international level you will need to do some extra work. That said, you may be interested in the independent 1.d4 e6 variations (like 2.c4 Bb4) as a complement to the French.
  

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Re: Best practical book on French for black
Reply #37 - 08/13/17 at 20:50:09
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Jupp53 wrote on 08/12/17 at 18:02:19:
Because it is hard to get - would you please give a short explanation for skipping later editions.


I have all the editions, but the first just captures the spirit of the French for me. In later editions he tried to over-elaborate, not saying those books are no good - there is very interesting stuff there, but as a best practical book definitely look at the first edition.
  
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Reply #36 - 08/13/17 at 20:07:34
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That reminds me of when I tried switching to the Classical Slav about seven years ago.  I played 6 games against 5 different opponents, and 5 of those games was an Exchange Slav. That really took the fun out of wanting to play the Slav, despite my results being just fine.
  
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Re: Best practical book on French for black
Reply #35 - 08/12/17 at 18:19:52
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Now  have played 3 more french games in tournaments , all vs exchange.

One 1,5 hour + 30 seconds per move game that became a draw at swedish championship weekend tournament and two 6 min + 3 second per move in two local club tournaments where both games vs the a  slightly heigher rated opponent new to local club where I won won one  game and lost one game.

And I did not only played chess in all games. I could possible have played opposete sides castling in game that became a draw since opponet play the odd looking h3 and I had not castled.
  
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Reply #34 - 08/12/17 at 18:02:19
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Keano wrote on 06/14/17 at 20:39:05:
John Watson - How to Play the French - 1st edition, not any of the later ones.


Because it is hard to get - would you please give a short explanation for skipping later editions.
  

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Reply #33 - 06/14/17 at 20:39:05
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John Watson - How to Play the French - 1st edition, not any of the later ones.
  
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Reply #32 - 06/11/17 at 20:18:32
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Indeed. In my brief stint as a French player a couple of years ago, some of my most exciting games came in lines traditionally thought of as "boring" (3 exd5 and 3 Nd2 c5 4 exd5 exd5).
  
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Reply #31 - 06/11/17 at 18:41:48
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About the drawing tendencies of the French Exhange, I don't see that as a problem. I do rather like Watson's ...Nc6 lines in Play the French. Castling on opposite sides can sharpen the play a lot!
  
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Re: Best practical book on French for black
Reply #30 - 05/28/17 at 09:45:07
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Confused_by_Theory wrote on 05/27/17 at 18:50:02:
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Keep up the french discussion Smiley

Have a nice day.

On topic: Are there not a couple of lines of exchange french where you can at least play a little chess before you shake hands then?


There are some lines in every openings that are drawish or leeds to mass simplifications or even forced draws in the sharper lines. I my experiece this is the case in several anti sicilians and even in many different open sicilians mainlines. The suggestion in this thread about modern or Pirc is based on that the fact that there are more inbalances. One can equaly play 1  .. b6 and argue the same thing.

The Exchange french can be tought win against some one one wants draw.
However I have won a few games including a game in tournament with time handicap and I had less time. I also won a rapid game in a rapidplay team event. In both cases I won by simply playing chess. I have also both won and lost blitz games in exchange vs a hiegher rated player at local club.

I dont play online blitz games anymore so I can not draw any concusions on how drawish the lines is.
  
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Re: Best practical book on French for black
Reply #29 - 05/27/17 at 18:50:02
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Edit:
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Keep up the french discussion Smiley

Have a nice day.

On topic: Are there not a couple of lines of exchange french where you can at least play a little chess before you shake hands then?
  
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Reply #28 - 05/23/17 at 18:09:57
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Classical kills the Pirc ... was musing that perhaps 1...g6 is flexible enough to sate both our needs for blood lust and mayhem.

What was your agenda for after 1 e4 g6 2 d4, Topnotch? Are you thinking the Classical Modern is more unbalancing than the Classical Pirc (and/or that Black's KN might not go to f6), or have you some other system(s) in mind?
  
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Reply #27 - 05/23/17 at 01:56:27
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Classical Kills the Pirc and Alapin along with 3.Bb5+ Kills Sicilian. I feel your pain though, and was musing that perhaps 1...g6 is flexible enough to sate both our needs for blood lust and mayhem.

Yes, 1...g6 is a nice invitation to mayhem!

At my level (below 2200), Black can still get winning chances in the Bb5(+) Sicilians. True, I've had some boring draws and even losses against the Classical Pirc, but those opponents were underrated juniors that I should have given more respect.
  

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Reply #26 - 05/23/17 at 01:18:31
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Stigma wrote on 05/23/17 at 00:26:27:
My "solution" to this lack of winning chances in the Exchange (and in the Tarrasch, depending on what line you choose) was to only play the French against stronger or roughly equal opponents, and not in must-win games.

i always had at least one other defence ready where it would be harder for White to kill the game completely, like the Pirc and various Sicilians.


Classical Kills the Pirc and Alapin along with 3.Bb5+ Kills Sicilian. I feel your pain though, and was musing that perhaps 1...g6 is flexible enough to sate both our needs for blood lust and mayhem.
  

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Reply #25 - 05/23/17 at 00:26:27
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My "solution" to this lack of winning chances in the Exchange (and in the Tarrasch, depending on what line you choose) was to only play the French against stronger or roughly equal opponents, and not in must-win games.

i always had at least one other defence ready where it would be harder for White to kill the game completely, like the Pirc and various Sicilians.
  

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Reply #24 - 05/22/17 at 07:19:26
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CanadianClub wrote on 05/21/17 at 11:44:44:
The problem with the French for me is getting winning chances vs lower rated players (or against someone he wants a draw in a team match) because of the exchange


Yes, I had to give up the French because of this. I once had a sequence of 6 draws versus players of around 2300 who all played the Exchange against me, I didn't manage to get winning chances in any of the games. Sad
  
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Reply #23 - 05/22/17 at 07:18:20
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I also met exchange vs some lower rated in a blitz tournamnet with time handicap and I won these games.

There are no perfect opening if one needs to play for a win.
There are several realy drawish anti sicilians as well.
Many open sicilian lines can also leed to a drawish endgame or in some sharper lines a draw by force.
There are also many lines that leeds to very simplified positions.
  
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Reply #22 - 05/21/17 at 11:44:44
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The problem with the French for me is getting winning chances vs lower rated players (or against someone he wants a draw in a team match) because of the exchange. I try to get IQPs to imbalance the game enough. By the way, I play Sicilian in that kind of situations if I know his elo in advance.

The antis in general are in fashion. The French is no exception  Sad
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Reply #21 - 05/20/17 at 07:12:31
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Some time has passed since I started this thread.
McDonalds book is realy great.

I played Fort Knox in two blitz games vs two much hiegher rated and got one draw.
After that I plays the mainlines with a very good several several other games including in three team matches. At local club they hade started to play none mainlines after that like Exchange or KIA or a b4 gambit.




  
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Reply #20 - 09/16/16 at 18:38:25
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Since you asked for "Any opinions on the most practical black repertour book?
With practical I mean something easy to maintain and not to much theory."

Then Fort Knox (Bc8-d7-c6) is an ideal choice, solid and easy to play - the only scary lines are the ones with Ne4-g5 but a little exactness should be enough, unless something major has been found for white the last few years...

The Rubinstein proper, with 4...Nbd7 etc is not so easy as black stays congested so there you need exactness in several variations.
Though it's possible to play it non-theoretically too, a friend of mine had his own system with 4...Be7 which he knew better than the theory books - but it took him many years of trial and error in thousands of blitz and rapids to develop...

The French is a wast territory and can be played in so many different ways - just look at the styles of the top players who use it! So, don't expect to learn it all quickly from just one book or two!
  
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bragesjo wrote on 09/16/16 at 16:46:07:
It also appears that Langrock has written a book devoted to Rubinstein from blacks point of view.
Any comments about that book?


Don't go near the Rubinstein. Meier can hold on. But noone else can, including Akobian.
You'll get no active play, and squashed repeatedly. On a good day, you'll get sterile equality.
  

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Bibs wrote on 09/15/16 at 13:36:53:
Don't go near the Rubinstein. Meier can hold on. But noone else can, including Akobian.
You'll get no active play, and squashed repeatedly. On a good day, you'll get sterile equality.

Winawer or Mac.


Thanks for the warning, I will consider it.
Luckly McDonald also gives a second repertour vs Nd2 and Nc3 and not only Fort Knox so I dont have to buy some other book at once.

It also appears that Langrock has written a book devoted to Rubinstein from blacks point of view.
Any comments about that book?

Lakdawala has also written some recent French book but I assume it more a basic book?
  
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Re: Best practical book on French for black
Reply #17 - 09/16/16 at 16:13:30
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bragesjo wrote on 09/15/16 at 10:20:22:
Sauron wrote on 09/15/16 at 09:00:22:
Sauron wrote on 09/15/16 at 08:59:14:
bragesjo wrote on 09/13/16 at 18:48:08:
I got an idea of maybee trying the French with black.
Any opinions on the most practical black repertour book?
With practical I mean something easy to maintain and not to much theory.
The only book I own about French that is not a white repertour book is "Mastering the French".


I have most of the french books. It is hard to recommend one. It depends so much on your choice of  systems.

Winawer/classical? etc.


P.S. Why the french? There are also good openings available.


My idea is to play the French vs 1 d4 if white transposes.
This rules out some (but not all) dpawn specials and would also allow me to play Nimzo/Bogo or even go for Dutch in some sitruations.



I've been looking into the french for the same reason...as ii'm dabbling with the classical dutch at the moment, have dabbled briefly with the Tarrasch and used to play the Modern Benoni, which i can usually get to via 1....e6
  

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Reply #16 - 09/16/16 at 15:07:16
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Mastering the French with the Read and Play Method is fantastic.  Hard to get hold of, though.
  
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Don't go near the Rubinstein. Meier can hold on. But noone else can, including Akobian.
You'll get no active play, and squashed repeatedly. On a good day, you'll get sterile equality.

Winawer or Mac.
  
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Reply #14 - 09/15/16 at 11:57:32
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I do the same and play 1...e6 vs d4 and e4.  Since I do this only 1 / 54 games with 1.d4 ended in a French  Wink

Akobian has a nice and short series of vids on the French in which one of them explains the rubinstein very well.  They are on Icc (French connection are the name of the serie). If you are on Icc it's the better starting point.
  
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Sauron wrote on 09/15/16 at 09:00:22:
Sauron wrote on 09/15/16 at 08:59:14:
bragesjo wrote on 09/13/16 at 18:48:08:
I got an idea of maybee trying the French with black.
Any opinions on the most practical black repertour book?
With practical I mean something easy to maintain and not to much theory.
The only book I own about French that is not a white repertour book is "Mastering the French".


I have most of the french books. It is hard to recommend one. It depends so much on your choice of  systems.

Winawer/classical? etc.


P.S. Why the french? There are also good openings available.


My idea is to play the French vs 1 d4 if white transposes.
This rules out some (but not all) dpawn specials and would also allow me to play Nimzo/Bogo or even go for Dutch in some sitruations.
I need something to play played quickly so Rubinstein fits the bill.
Later when I get more time I will maybee play other stuff.
I can think of either Classical or McChecuton vs Nc3, Winawer does not look like my taste.
  
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Reply #12 - 09/15/16 at 09:00:22
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Sauron wrote on 09/15/16 at 08:59:14:
bragesjo wrote on 09/13/16 at 18:48:08:
I got an idea of maybee trying the French with black.
Any opinions on the most practical black repertour book?
With practical I mean something easy to maintain and not to much theory.
The only book I own about French that is not a white repertour book is "Mastering the French".


I have most of the french books. It is hard to recommend one. It depends so much on your choice of  systems.

Winawer/classical? etc.


P.S. Why the french? There are also good openings available.
  

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bragesjo wrote on 09/13/16 at 18:48:08:
I got an idea of maybee trying the French with black.
Any opinions on the most practical black repertour book?
With practical I mean something easy to maintain and not to much theory.
The only book I own about French that is not a white repertour book is "Mastering the French".


I have most of the french books. It is hard to recommend one. It depends so much on your choice of  systems.

Winawer/classical? etc.
  

1.Nf3! -  beat your opponent by killing his zest for life.
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Reply #10 - 09/15/16 at 08:24:29
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My plan with the French is (at least temporary and short term) is to play it by the move order 1 d4 e6 2 e4 d5 so I only need something quick thats playable in case of white transposes to 1 e4. In long term I will maybee use it as main defence vs e4 too and play some more theoritcial lines. In case of 1 d4 e6 2 c4 I play Nf6. This idea was suggested to me by two of my friends when we chatted a bit after a tournament.

I have almost no experience with black pieces in French but I  have played varios systems with white.
When I comes to books I own "Mastering the French" but no repertoir book.

  
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Depends how much you know already about French stuff.
I was surprised by some high rated friends (IMs, GMs) who knew almost nothing outside their own narrow repertoires (and was surprised that they were surprised that I had a fairly broad knowledge - but, indeed, insufficiently deep as was pointed out!) so it depends on what is there already.

Yes, Neil Mc is a good start.
Ntirlis/Aagard is of course very good, but the anti-Alekhine-Chatard there are difficult OTB, and I'd choose something more pragmatic.
Watson PtF#4 also useful.
Consider also Williams who explains well, and the Pert CBase DVD.
Good luck with your Frenching...!
  
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to start playing the FRENCH? Mcdonald. But at your level (@bragesjo), Ntirlis by far. Well explained,  solid lines...  excelent book. For me,  the best out there.


Mcdonald is more read & play. Basic stuff,  well explained but simpler.  Aagard/Ntirlis is easy to handle but deep enough to play the lines against any level of opposition.

I have them both and I like them both.  Only clarifying my own post.
  
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to start playing the FRENCH? Mcdonald. But at your level (@bragesjo), Ntirlis by far. Well explained,  solid lines...  excelent book. For me,  the best out there.
  
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Reply #6 - 09/14/16 at 18:02:25
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I like the Macdonald book very much, although not really a fan of his proposed lines against the advance variation, but i guess it is keeping in line for what is very much a lazy man's guide in that it doesnt require a lot of maintenance once you get accustomed to the lines. A realy good choice to start with

I liked the lines against the advance given in Williams book, but the winawer isnt all that appealing to me and it looks like a book that requires more effort than the one above.

Havent read the QC book yet, looks good but am not familiar with the lines given.
  

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Reply #5 - 09/14/16 at 16:34:37
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I would have voted for AAgaard & Ntirlis "Playing the French" by QualityChess. The Euwe variation of the French is imo quite solid and both the c5/Qd5 Tarrasch (quite easy for a Sicilian player I think) and 3...Nf6 & 7...a6 Steinitz are solid.
  
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Thanks for the replys. I go for McDonald.
  
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I like McDonald too (the Rubinstein is undeniably easy to start with but is great to have alternatives if  you get bored) but another to consider is Attacking Chess French by Simon Williams.  He explains things reasonably well.  The Winawer is a little more work but he does a good job explaining it a level in keeping with the book.  Obviously there are some excellent books with more detailed repertoires and ideas including all of John Watson's Play the French books and the Moskalenko books but it doesn't sound like that is what you want to start with.
  
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Re: Best practical book on French for black
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TalJechin wrote on 09/13/16 at 19:23:11:
McDonald's How to Play Against 1.e4 could be a good place to start, giving both a 3...dxe4 and a 3...Nf6 repertoire in an easy to read format.

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McDonald's How to Play Against 1.e4 could be a good place to start, giving both a 3...dxe4 and a 3...Nf6 repertoire in an easy to read format.
  
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Best practical book on French for black
09/13/16 at 18:48:08
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I got an idea of maybee trying the French with black.
Any opinions on the most practical black repertour book?
With practical I mean something easy to maintain and not to much theory.
The only book I own about French that is not a white repertour book is "Mastering the French".
  
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