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Reply #48 - 12/13/19 at 11:25:19
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I have the book, Tay is a good analyst and seems to be very objective. I think the Schlieman would be great for a club player, and that you could probably spring it on titled players with some success. Again Tay is honest that there are some problems in some lines, but the book is well written and was mostly current when it was published.
  
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Reply #47 - 12/13/19 at 03:01:56
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I'm sure there is more than one Jaenisch player here, perhaps one of them will weigh in. In the meantime there is a review at chesscafe which may help you decide.
https://chesscafe.com/book-reviews/the-schliemann-defence-move-by-move-junior-ta...
  
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Reply #46 - 12/13/19 at 00:09:53
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Jonathan Tait wrote on 07/05/19 at 14:20:46:
Marcellus wrote on 07/05/19 at 04:53:46:
Any updates?


Updates on what? Junior Tay's book came out last year, if that's what you meant?


Would anyone mind to share your thoughts or review on this book?   Would it be a good book for a club player just learning the Schliemann/jaenisch?

Appreciate your time.
  

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Reply #45 - 07/11/19 at 05:25:37
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Marcellus wrote on 07/09/19 at 12:41:27:
Everyman's new series "Disreputable Weapons" should sell well. I would buy the Open Games volume.


I guess I should hurry up and finish it then Smiley

My main issue is in what to play against 4 Ng5 in the Two Knights. I'm currently struggling as Black in a couple of online Traxler games, so it might depend on how I do in an ongoing Ulvestad thematic.
  

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Reply #44 - 07/09/19 at 12:41:27
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Everyman's new series "Disreputable Weapons" should sell well. I would buy the Open Games volume.
  
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Reply #43 - 07/07/19 at 08:08:28
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Marcellus wrote on 07/07/19 at 00:03:24:
Well, at least point us in the right direction for the Scotch, Spanish Four Knights, and Vienna (Steinitz, Rubinstein, and Frankenstein-Dracula, perhaps).


It's a book on disreputable openings so, as regards those particular variations, look to:
Scotch 4...Qh4
Three Knights 3...Bc5
Vienna 2...Nc6 without ...Nf6
  

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Reply #42 - 07/07/19 at 00:03:24
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Jonathan Tait wrote on 07/06/19 at 07:18:24:
Yes, I'm still working on it. You can expect it in about 17 years probably Huh

Well, maybe not so long, but I've only finished one chapter so far: on 1 e4 e5 2 f4 exf4 3 Nf3 h5.


Well, at least point us in the right direction for the Scotch, Spanish Four Knights, and Vienna (Steinitz, Rubinstein, and Frankenstein-Dracula, perhaps).
  
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Reply #41 - 07/06/19 at 23:25:12
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There were two books about Jänisch Ruy López that I bought few years ago I think. I cannot even remember when. But I know that author's name was Roman and surname was long and startte with "J". I cannot even remember where I bought her. Then I realise that it were those books mentioned above.  Cheesy

It was one book theory one book ideas, I remember quite small books. I think that it would be good to complement with Tay's Everyman book.
  
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Marcellus wrote on 07/05/19 at 20:52:12:
I read your above comment to imply that you were working on aggressive ways (as with the Jaenisch) to meet the quieter, non-Spanish lines. I was curious about those lines (I know that you're a major proponent of the Traxler).


Yes, I'm still working on it. You can expect it in about 17 years probably Huh

Well, maybe not so long, but I've only finished one chapter so far: on 1 e4 e5 2 f4 exf4 3 Nf3 h5.
  

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Re: Books on the Schiliemann
Reply #39 - 07/05/19 at 20:52:12
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Jonathan Tait wrote on 04/10/18 at 09:57:00:
Leon_Trotsky wrote on 04/10/18 at 01:03:13:
I always wondered how to combine an aggressive, tactical style with the Jänisch in combination with the strategic openings like the Giuoco Pianissimo or Four Knights should White be a non Ruy Lopez player.


Actually, I'm working on something about that at the moment Smiley


I read your above comment to imply that you were working on aggressive ways (as with the Jaenisch) to meet the quieter, non-Spanish lines. I was curious about those lines (I know that you're a major proponent of the Traxler).
  
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Reply #38 - 07/05/19 at 14:20:46
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Marcellus wrote on 07/05/19 at 04:53:46:
Any updates?


Updates on what? Junior Tay's book came out last year, if that's what you meant?
  

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Reply #36 - 04/10/18 at 09:57:00
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 04/10/18 at 01:03:13:
I always wondered how to combine an aggressive, tactical style with the Jänisch in combination with the strategic openings like the Giuoco Pianissimo or Four Knights should White be a non Ruy Lopez player.


Actually, I'm working on something about that at the moment Smiley
  

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Reply #35 - 04/10/18 at 05:44:19
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 04/10/18 at 01:03:13:
in combination with the strategic openings like the Giuoco Pianissimo or Four Knights should White be a non Ruy Lopez player.

Giuoco Pianissimo: head for either ...d5 or ...f5.

http://www.ianchessgambits.com/two-knights-defence-4d3-4nc3.html

Four Knights: 5.Bb5 Bc5!? is tactical but risky.

Of course there are quiet variations left, like the Scottish Four Knights.
  

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Re: Books on the Schiliemann
Reply #34 - 04/10/18 at 01:03:13
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I bought these two books (book 1 on theory and book 2 on tactics) a whilst ago. If I remember well, they were not expensive. I am new to this opening, and since I really do not know the theory, I comment much about it. But the books look interesting overall, I would say a good purchase.

I do not know much about the Jänisch, but I always wondered how to combine an aggressive, tactical style with the Jänisch in combination with the strategic openings like the Giuoco Pianissimo or Four Knights should White be a non Ruy Lopez player.
  
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Reply #33 - 04/08/18 at 19:37:29
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For me it's really disturbing to find the Jänisch (Jaenisch) called Schliemann. No answer necessary.
  

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Reply #32 - 04/08/18 at 11:40:42
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Reply #31 - 04/08/18 at 11:37:59
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Could someone step in and fix the spellings please?
  
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Reply #30 - 04/08/18 at 08:32:44
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There is also the new book Schielmann - The Complete Guide by Roman Jiganchine which is available on ForwardChess.  I see he's a master living in Canada and that he's written quite a few books.  I don't have the book so I can't offer a review.
  
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Reply #29 - 02/20/18 at 08:56:44
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RoleyPoley wrote on 02/19/18 at 16:47:44:
I thought the video was 17 euros? How do you get it for 5 - is that by subscribing to the site?

Also, do you still play this opening? (or at least consider it still part of your repertoire?


The video may be 17 euros – I don't know, I'm not interested in videos – but the single ebook is just 4.99, and signing up for the site is free. Yes, I think you can pay more to get access to all the ebooks, but I'm not interested in that either.

Yes, I still play the Schliemann Smiley – when anyone gives me the chance anyway, which isn't very often nowadays.
  

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Reply #28 - 02/20/18 at 08:50:35
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Well, you've given me something to think about anyway. I have no programming ability at all to write scripts and suchlike, but possibly someone does.
  

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Reply #27 - 02/20/18 at 01:39:05
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Jonathan Tait wrote on 02/19/18 at 08:03:11:
Everyman already produces electronic versions via Kindle and their own chess-playing app. And the whole book goes to print as a PDF. What we want is to produce ChessBase compatible ebooks as well. Do you actually have any helpful suggestions as to how to do that without copying and pasting text manually? Or are you just being a smartarse?

I'm not trying to be a smart-arse, it probably just seems that way because of, you know, the internet.

As it happens, I just bought Hansen's Closed Sicilian MBM. Game 5 in the PGN file begins:

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1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 ({As a committed Najdorf player, Novikov opted for} 2... d6
{here, and only after} 3. g3 {then} Nc6 4. Bg2 g6 5. d3 Bg7 {etc.}) 3. g3 g6 4.
Bg2 Bg7 5. d3 d6 6. Be3 e6 7. Qd2 {The most consistent continuation;} ({
instead,} 7. f4 Nge7 8. Nf3 O-O 9. O-O {transposes to 6 f4 e6 lines in Chapter
Six.}) 7... Nd4 {This is generally considered premature. Black should normally

Now when I unpack the EPUB file, I see that index_split_008.html contains the following (I replaced the angle-braces with curly-braces, and bolded the text between the braces.) :

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{span class="bold"}1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 Nc6{/span}{/span}
{/div}
{p class="calibre_1"}{span class="calibre1" xml:lang="EN-US"}As a committed Najdorf player, Novikov opted for 2 ... d6 here, and only after 3 g3 then 3 ... Nc6 4 Bg2 g6 5 d3 Bg7 etc.{/span}{/p}
{p class="calibre_1"}{span class="calibre1 bold" xml:lang="EN-US"}3 g3 g6 4 Bg2 Bg7 5 d3 d6 6 Be3 e6 7 Qd2{/span}{/p}
{p class="calibre_1"}{span class="calibre1" xml:lang="EN-US"}The most consistent continuation; instead, 7 f4 Nge7 8 Nf3 0-0 9 0-0 transposes to 6 f4 e6 lines in Chapter Six.{/span}{/p}
{p class="calibre_1"}{span class="calibre1 bold" xml:lang="EN-US"}7 ... Nd4{/span}{/p}
{p class="calibre_1"}{span class="calibre1" xml:lang="EN-US"}This is generally considered premature. Black should normally


So, if Everyman sold me the EPUB but did not include a PGN, I would write a script to extract all the HTML content to a TXT file, then in a text editor transform that to PGN by adding the tags and braces. But I would never advise Everyman to do it that way. Instead Everyman should create some html-classes to distinguish pgn-moves from pgn-comments from editorial-comments. Then create a custom css to render the html-classes as desired. Now the script that extracts the HTML content from the EPUB can read the html-classes to automatically generate a valid PGN file.

Check this out from Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB

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Data interchange

EPUB is a popular way to feed the ebook creation process, because it is an open format and is based on HTML, while Amazon's format is proprietary. EPUB is the "first step" (initial) format of the content in many production processes and supply chains.


BTW, the file MBMCSicilian.pgn is NOT valid pgn, it violates the specification in numerous ways. So even though I do not have to extract from the epub, I still have to spend a lot of time in a text editor getting their pgn file to conform to the pgn standard. The pgn I quoted above already contains a mistake according to the standard. See if you can spot it.
  
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Re: Books on the Schiliemann
Reply #26 - 02/19/18 at 16:47:44
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Jonathan Tait wrote on 02/19/18 at 08:07:47:
TopNotch wrote on 02/18/18 at 15:34:26:
Posters keen on this defence could also consider the following chess24 (2016) release by a leading practitioner:

'Hi everyone, my name is Roeland Pruijssers. I am a Dutch Grandmaster. In my first series for chess24 I want to share my analysis, games and ideas in the Schliemann-Jaenisch Gambit. It's an opening which I've been studying and playing for about five years now - with very good results.'


Yes, that's an essential online publication for serious Schliemann enthusiasts – and it's only five euros for permanent access Smiley


I thought the video was 17 euros? How do you get it for 5 - is that by subscribing to the site?

Also, do you still play this opening? (or at least consider it still part of your repertoire?

  

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TopNotch wrote on 02/18/18 at 15:34:26:
Posters keen on this defence could also consider the following chess24 (2016) release by a leading practitioner:

'Hi everyone, my name is Roeland Pruijssers. I am a Dutch Grandmaster. In my first series for chess24 I want to share my analysis, games and ideas in the Schliemann-Jaenisch Gambit. It's an opening which I've been studying and playing for about five years now - with very good results.'


Yes, that's an essential online publication for serious Schliemann enthusiasts – and it's only five euros for permanent access Smiley
  

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Reply #24 - 02/19/18 at 08:03:11
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You don't have that now. Witness the copying and pasting.
ChessBase is great, but it's just software. If it doesn't do exactly what you need (and I predict it doesn't), get another program. Or roll your own.


Everyman already produces electronic versions via Kindle and their own chess-playing app. And the whole book goes to print as a PDF. What we want is to produce ChessBase compatible ebooks as well. Do you actually have any helpful suggestions as to how to do that without copying and pasting text manually? Or are you just being a smartarse?
  

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Reply #23 - 02/19/18 at 05:21:59
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If you can think of a format that allows a direct transition to ChessBase game files, please let me know

You don't have that now. Witness the copying and pasting.
ChessBase is great, but it's just software. If it doesn't do exactly what you need (and I predict it doesn't), get another program. Or roll your own.
  
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Posters keen on this defence could also consider the following chess24 (2016) release by a leading practitioner:

'Hi everyone, my name is Roeland Pruijssers. I am a Dutch Grandmaster. In my first series for chess24 I want to share my analysis, games and ideas in the Schliemann-Jaenisch Gambit. It's an opening which I've been studying and playing for about five years now - with very good results.'

Bye.
  

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OMG, copy/paste !!! Ever heard of TeX? LaTeX? DocBook?

With a well thought out document format, you should be able to output your choice of camera-ready pages, epub, pdf, pgn, playable e-book, etc. with one command. Make a change to the source document, boom, every output format is updated.


If you can think of a format that allows a direct transition to ChessBase game files, please let me know Smiley
  

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That's what I am also always wondering about. Having a proper publishing environment set up you could
- automatically generate all formats
- check for all move order issues (same position different evaluation, or overlooked transpositions)
- avoid most typos
- automatize engine checking
- generate diagrams, headers, indexes automatically
- cure cancer
- achieve world piece
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OMG, copy/paste !!! Ever heard of TeX? LaTeX? DocBook?

With a well thought out document format, you should be able to output your choice of camera-ready pages, epub, pdf, pgn, playable e-book, etc. with one command. Make a change to the source document, boom, every output format is updated.

Admittedly, a WYSIWYG editor would require a lot more effort. In the meantime you could just churn out a pdf every day and proofread that.
  
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Fllg wrote on 02/17/18 at 16:02:56:
Thank you. That´s quite impressive.

It takes me usually weeks to extract the most important information from a book into chessbase, but of course I cannot work on it full time due to other duties.  Wink


Ah, but presumably you're having to copy everything "long hand", so to speak? Whereas I have the actual typeset, which means I can highlight/copy from that and paste it directly into CB files. Smiley
  

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Thank you. That´s quite impressive.

It takes me usually weeks to extract the most important information from a book into chessbase, but of course I cannot work on it full time due to other duties.  Wink
  
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Just out of curiosity: How long does it take you to convert a 400 (?) page book into an ebook?


It depends what state the initial CB files are in really. In this case, I did a fair bit of work while editing the book, so it shouldn't take more than 3 or 4 days. Whereas the huge Kasparov books, starting with no CB files at all, could take a fortnight.
  

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Just out of curiousity: How long does it take you to convert a 400 (?) page book into an ebook?
  
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No excerpt up so won't be anytime too soon


well, I'm creating the ebook now, so I'm guessing the hard copy won't be too long Smiley
  

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No excerpt up so won't be anytime too soon
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I think the Everyman page has the new date being March for Europe. Does that sound likely?


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Re: Books on the Schiliemann
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Jonathan Tait wrote on 02/14/18 at 08:09:03:
Marcellus wrote on 02/14/18 at 03:35:30:
Any updates on the ETA?


It's just back from Junior with his final amendments. So I guess it'll be going to print pretty soon now. Smiley

I think the Everyman page has the new date being March for Europe. Does that sound likely?
  

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Marcellus wrote on 02/14/18 at 03:35:30:
Any updates on the ETA?


It's just back from Junior with his final amendments. So I guess it'll be going to print pretty soon now. Smiley
  

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Re: Books on the Schiliemann
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Jonathan Tait wrote on 12/12/17 at 15:36:20:
It'll be a bit later than that still, since I won't have finished editing it before January.
                   



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Certainly. It probably won't even have gone to print by then.
  

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Jonathan Tait wrote on 12/12/17 at 15:36:20:
RoleyPoley wrote on 12/12/17 at 10:36:55:
Release now appears to be scheduled for Jan 1st 2018


It'll be a bit later than that still, since I won't have finished editing it before January.


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Amazon had 1st January which is where i got the date from, but i noticed after i posted that the everyman site i think it was had it down as 18th. Although, by the sounds of it that date will also be a bit ambitious?

  

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Release now appears to be scheduled for Jan 1st 2018


It'll be a bit later than that still, since I won't have finished editing it before January.
  

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RoleyPoley wrote on 04/10/17 at 22:02:48:
Just seen on Everyman site that the Move by Move Schliemann book originally due from Collins is now being written by Junior Tay and due out in October this year. (UK)


Release now appears to be scheduled for Jan 1st 2018
  

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Just seen on Everyman site that the Move by Move Schliemann book originally due from Collins is now being written by Junior Tay and due out in October this year. (UK)
  

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There are 116 pages on it in Ivan Sokolov's book "The Ruy Lopez Revisited" (New in Chess 2009). That should be enough for anyone Smiley
  

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Chessbase also has a DVD on it by Chesspublishing columnist Sam Collins, while Sam Shankland did a DVD for Empire Chess.

Sadly all the recent publications on this stuff is in DVD format not print.

Recent praxis suggests that the Schliemann offers decent drawing chances as does quite a few other lines against the Ruy.
  

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Re: Books on the Schiliemann
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I assume you are talking about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 f5 ?

This is called the Jaenisch-Gambit in some countries and the Schliemann-Gambit (not Schiliemann) in others. The most recent source is certainly the video lecture on chess24 which is also available as an ebook there. It makes a decent impression on me.

Furthermore a Move by Move book about it has been anounced by Everyman for a while now but has been pushed back repeatedly.

And I´m sure chesspublishing has more than enough material on this opening...
  
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Books on the Schiliemann
11/05/16 at 20:01:22
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I am considering taking up the Schiliemann as Black. What book(s) do you recommend getting on the Schiliemann? The main books on the Schiliemann that I am aware of are "The Ruy Lopez Revisited", "Attacking the Spanish", and "Gambiteer II".


  
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