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Re: The world has come to an end
Reply #15 - 08/28/23 at 18:25:44
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Wait, what is this topic about?  Grin
  
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Re: The world has come to an end
Reply #14 - 12/15/16 at 13:51:44
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The amazing thing is that only 55% of voting age citizens voted. What does a difference in the popular vote of 3 million matter if over 100 million didn't vote at all?

In states that don't matter now because it's clear who's going to win, a lot of people don't bother to vote. If
the popular vote was all that mattered, you'd get a much higher turnout.
  
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Re: The world has come to an end
Reply #13 - 12/15/16 at 13:20:01
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The number of representatives per state (and therefore its electoral votes) is rebalanced every ten years based on current population.
  
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Re: The world has come to an end
Reply #12 - 12/15/16 at 08:22:29
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Now it is clear that Clinton got almost 3 million more total votes.
She got 2nd heigest total votes in USA history, only beated by Obamas first win.

One other problem with electors systems is that population has increased in USA but in heiger rates in some states and lower rates in others.
This mean that the number of elector votes per state is getting less propotional to reflect population for every election that takes place.
  
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Re: The world has come to an end
Reply #11 - 11/28/16 at 03:25:07
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bragesjo wrote on 11/23/16 at 14:35:36:
Now I read that there are some sorts of statistical impossible voting patterns when comparing districs with electronical voting machines and districs using paper votes in three states that Trump won and if Hillary had won in these states she would have won the enough elector votes.


It wouldn't surprise me if there were some outside influence in the voting process. Cyber attacks are becoming big around the world and from the sounds of it, the voting computers were none too secure. Anyone with a USB stick could have put a virus or some other malware on them. All it would take is an organised external country to pay people with access to these machines and get them to make a few tweaks to the way data was collected.
  
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Reply #10 - 11/23/16 at 14:35:36
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Now I read that there are some sorts of statistical impossible voting patterns when comparing districs with electronical voting machines and districs using paper votes in three states that Trump won and if Hillary had won in these states she would have won the enough elector votes.
  
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Re: The world has come to an end
Reply #9 - 11/22/16 at 03:23:06
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Knight wrote on 11/22/16 at 02:25:52:
There are no perfect voting systems but in the case of the president, the US system seems particularly bad. I understand why it is the way it is - not letting the bigger states dominate the smaller ones, but now there is still a system where a small number of states that dominate in terms of importance.

It seems unfair indeed that your vote doesn't matter at all unless you live in a potential swing state. And doesn't it encourage the candidates to ignore local issues in "safe" D or R states?

I read somewhere about a very simple solution to combining these goals (democracy and state rights): Keep the electoral vote system, but assign each state's electors proportionally based on the statewide vote. So Florida's 29 votes could be spilt 15 R - 14 D instead of 29 R, etc. I haven't done the math, but I presume Hillary would have won this way.

That said, I'm not sure I understand why state rights should be an issue at all when it comes down to an essentially binary choice, as these presidential elections do. Why not let the nationwide popular vote decide? The states are well enough represented in the house and senate.
  

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Re: The world has come to an end
Reply #8 - 11/22/16 at 02:25:52
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bragesjo wrote on 11/17/16 at 14:27:54:
My point was that candiadate A can become president dispite that candiate B can get more than twice as many total votes.
1% more votes in state can also be even lower. I can be as low as 1 single vote more and you get all elector votes.
So lets say 1 single vote more in the minimun number of states to get the neccessary elector votes (each state has different number of elector votes) and not a single vote in all other states and one becomes president.


There are no perfect voting systems but in the case of the president, the US system seems particularly bad. I understand why it is the way it is - not letting the bigger states dominate the smaller ones, but now there is still a system where a small number of states that dominate in terms of importance.
  
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Re: The world has come to an end
Reply #7 - 11/17/16 at 14:51:33
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In Sweden our system is not perfect either.
We use some sort of quation formula that sometimes has the side effect that one can gain by having less votes and lose by having more votes.
  
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Re: The world has come to an end
Reply #6 - 11/17/16 at 14:27:54
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My point was that candiadate A can become president dispite that candiate B can get more than twice as many total votes.
1% more votes in state can also be even lower. I can be as low as 1 single vote more and you get all elector votes.
So lets say 1 single vote more in the minimun number of states to get the neccessary elector votes (each state has different number of elector votes) and not a single vote in all other states and one becomes president.
  
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Re: The world has come to an end
Reply #5 - 11/17/16 at 12:00:30
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30% is easy. 26% is the usual mark - its FPTP in all of the regions so 51% of the vote in those to get the votes there, then you need 51% of the regions. Don't need any other votes Smiley

Of course, they're not even using single transferable vote or anything, so if you include a hypothetical third/fourth candidate it can go a lot lower.

We're well used to FPTP in the UK and it really isn't a great system. Terrible at times.
  
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Re: The world has come to an end
Reply #4 - 11/17/16 at 11:10:03
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I dont think is that bad yet, we will have to wait and see how Trump will act as president. Lets give him a chance first. And it can become much much worse.

The funny thing about United States voting system is that you can become president even througt the opponent gets much more votes. It happend to Al Gore and now is happend to Clinton. I read somewhere that it is possible to become president with only 30% of all total votes but I am no shure how they calculated that. However in theory you can get 1% more votes than the opponent in a minimal number of states and dont get a single vote in the other states and still become president.  A funny factor is that the voting system is dependent on where the vote is given so if a number of Clintons voters and a number of Trump voters had lived in different states Clinton might have won.



  
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Re: The world has come to an end
Reply #3 - 11/10/16 at 16:49:12
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Dont cry before they hit you OP, Trump(this is what we are talking about right?!!!)hasnt done any change on America, maybe he just said all of those extremist things to become famous. Maybe...
  
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Re: The world has come to an end
Reply #2 - 11/10/16 at 16:45:29
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Europeans? More like anyone who knows about WW1/WW2 knows it can be much worse. (That is what you are talking about right?)
Or more like anyone who has basic history knowledge knows it can be much worse, AKA Mao Zedong, Crusades, Stalin and his gulags, Spain conquering America etc...
  
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Re: The world has come to an end
Reply #1 - 11/10/16 at 09:27:04
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You Americans thought so.
Europeans who know their 20st Century history know it can become much, much worse.
  

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