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Re: Cummings Everyman English Repertoire
Reply #88 - 01/09/20 at 16:12:08
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The "modern" English with e3 as in Cummings' repertoire (and Georgiev/Semkov) doesn't have much in common with the g3 based setups that are in Kosten's book, IMHO.

For the latter, Marin's double Chessbase DVD may be useful. Sielecki should release a refreshed version of his c4 repertoire on Chessable soon.
  
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Re: Cummings Everyman English Repertoire
Reply #87 - 01/03/20 at 19:41:28
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Bedankt voor de link TD  Smiley
  
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Re: Cummings Everyman English Repertoire
Reply #86 - 01/03/20 at 16:26:09
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Dubbelschaak wrote on 01/02/20 at 15:42:23:
Thanks again MW  Smiley

I'll put the book on my list.

https://www.deslegte.nl/the-dynamic-english-2000541/
  
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Re: Cummings Everyman English Repertoire
Reply #85 - 01/02/20 at 15:42:23
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Thanks again MW  Smiley

I'll put the book on my list.
  
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Re: Cummings Everyman English Repertoire
Reply #84 - 01/02/20 at 01:23:48
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To conclude from me I would like to quote from a fantastic book on the English.....a little old (published 1999) and written by GM Tony Kosten.

It's the introduction to Chapter 7 -Other second moves for Black.

1 c4 e5 2 g3

"Here we deal with black second moves other than 2...Nf6 and 2....Nc6, which are quiet rare. In most cases, rather than trying to refute these moves (and possibly walking into the opponent's pet system), it is simpler, and more practical, to continue with Bg2 and Nc3 before deciding on the subsequent piece set-up."

Sound advice in 1999 and still sound advice today and one of the great advantages of the English.....if you know the strategic themes of the English you can, unlike many of the 1 e4 openings work your way through the opening without getting into too much trouble.

I know you are not keen on 2 g3 but if you are thinking of playing the English on an ongoing basis and can get your hands on a copy of Tony's The Dynamic English grab it.

It's only 140 pages but each chapter gives a little introduction about the strategy behind the line being analysed to guide the reader and what he says is still relevant today. IMHO it is still a must read books for any prospective English player.

All the best.
  
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Re: Cummings Everyman English Repertoire
Reply #83 - 01/01/20 at 23:37:13
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Syzygy wrote on 01/01/20 at 23:04:07:
It makes sense to compare this to the rare 1. e4 c5 2. c4, which is not considered to be a challenging response to the Sicilian. As Black, I like going for the Fischer set-up (as IM Cummings recommends), since the game will most likely transpose to a Symmetrical English where White has gone for an early Botvinnik set-up.

After 1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 c5, White is effectively a tempo up on this variation. You could play the Fischer set-up with g3, e3, Nge2, etc. again, but remarkably it turns out that this probably not enough for an advantage. The positions are closed enough that a single tempo does not matter much.

The positions in the 4. e3 line are definitely sharp, but I think the jury is still out on whether White has an advantage there too. Besides these two options, I would like to recommend:

1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 c5 3. g3 Nc6 4. Bg2 g6 5. a3!

Aiming for a quick 6. b4. If Black continues developing normally, White can transpose to Marin's lines against the Botvinnik set-up for Black where White has managed to secure a favorable queenside expansion. If Black plays 5...a5, then you can continue with the Fischer set-up, since Black has weakened the b5 square before White has determined the placement of his kingside knight.

Thanks, i'll look into it  Smiley
  
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Re: Cummings Everyman English Repertoire
Reply #82 - 01/01/20 at 23:04:07
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It makes sense to compare this to the rare 1. e4 c5 2. c4, which is not considered to be a challenging response to the Sicilian. As Black, I like going for the Fischer set-up (as IM Cummings recommends), since the game will most likely transpose to a Symmetrical English where White has gone for an early Botvinnik set-up.

After 1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 c5, White is effectively a tempo up on this variation. You could play the Fischer set-up with g3, e3, Nge2, etc. again, but remarkably it turns out that this probably not enough for an advantage. The positions are closed enough that a single tempo does not matter much.

The positions in the 4. e3 line are definitely sharp, but I think the jury is still out on whether White has an advantage there too. Besides these two options, I would like to recommend:

1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 c5 3. g3 Nc6 4. Bg2 g6 5. a3!

Aiming for a quick 6. b4. If Black continues developing normally, White can transpose to Marin's lines against the Botvinnik set-up for Black where White has managed to secure a favorable queenside expansion. If Black plays 5...a5, then you can continue with the Fischer set-up, since Black has weakened the b5 square before White has determined the placement of his kingside knight.
  
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Re: Cummings Everyman English Repertoire
Reply #81 - 01/01/20 at 22:37:28
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IMDavidCummings wrote on 01/01/20 at 19:32:15:
Hi,

After 1 c4 e5 2 Nc3 c5, I have two suggestions:

1) 3 g3 is a good move, and very logical after Black has left the gaping hole on d5. If you are looking for a simple solution for the (rare) occasions you’ll face 2...c5, I’d recommend the system with g3, Bg2, e3, Nge2, 0-0 etc. Depending on how Black develops, you can then either go for a d2-d4 break, or b2-b4 (prepared by a3 and Rb1). If Black advances his kingside pawns, you can usually counter with f2-f4. Also drop the c3-knight into d5 when it makes sense. There are other systems for White, of course, but this one should be a low maintenance option regardless of how Black continues.

2) 3 Nf3 Nc6 4 e3 Nf6 5 d4 e4 transposes into a line that is quite sharp and has its own body of theory. I’ve covered this in my Chess Publishing Updates, so if you are a subscriber, you can check the games to see if this appeals. The main moves now are 6 d5 (see Aronian - Vachier Lagrave, Grenke 2017) and 6 Ne5 (Mamedyarov - Vachier Lagrave, Biel 2018.)

Happy New Year to all!

David

Thank you for responding David, and happy new year to you too. I'll be looking into your suggestions  Grin
  
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Re: Cummings Everyman English Repertoire
Reply #80 - 01/01/20 at 22:35:41
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 01/01/20 at 17:11:18:
MW wrote on 01/01/20 at 02:25:08:
In passing I have played 1 c4 on and off for close to 50 years and have never faced 1...e5 followed by 2....c5

Me neither, it looks too early to fix the structure like that.

Haha yes, but you're a grandmaster facing other masters who understand all that. I'm but a low rated amateur. And you have to deal with all sorts of stuff at my level  Cheesy
  
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Re: Cummings Everyman English Repertoire
Reply #79 - 01/01/20 at 19:50:50
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Speaking of #1, I was reminded of Karpov playing an early ...e5 + ...c5 against Kasparov in their '87 match.
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1067247
  
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Re: Cummings Everyman English Repertoire
Reply #78 - 01/01/20 at 19:32:15
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Hi,

After 1 c4 e5 2 Nc3 c5, I have two suggestions:

1) 3 g3 is a good move, and very logical after Black has left the gaping hole on d5. If you are looking for a simple solution for the (rare) occasions you’ll face 2...c5, I’d recommend the system with g3, Bg2, e3, Nge2, 0-0 etc. Depending on how Black develops, you can then either go for a d2-d4 break, or b2-b4 (prepared by a3 and Rb1). If Black advances his kingside pawns, you can usually counter with f2-f4. Also drop the c3-knight into d5 when it makes sense. There are other systems for White, of course, but this one should be a low maintenance option regardless of how Black continues.

2) 3 Nf3 Nc6 4 e3 Nf6 5 d4 e4 transposes into a line that is quite sharp and has its own body of theory. I’ve covered this in my Chess Publishing Updates, so if you are a subscriber, you can check the games to see if this appeals. The main moves now are 6 d5 (see Aronian - Vachier Lagrave, Grenke 2017) and 6 Ne5 (Mamedyarov - Vachier Lagrave, Biel 2018.)

Happy New Year to all!

David
  
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Re: Cummings Everyman English Repertoire
Reply #77 - 01/01/20 at 17:11:18
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MW wrote on 01/01/20 at 02:25:08:
In passing I have played 1 c4 on and off for close to 50 years and have never faced 1...e5 followed by 2....c5

Me neither, it looks too early to fix the structure like that.
  
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Re: Cummings Everyman English Repertoire
Reply #76 - 01/01/20 at 14:57:15
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MW wrote on 01/01/20 at 02:25:08:
In passing I have played 1 c4 on and off for close to 50 years and have never faced 1...e5 followed by 2....c5...perhaps I've just been lucky!
 


Well i'm still not 100% certain i want to go 1.c4. I've been playing it online for like 2 weeks now and i'm faced with all sorts of responses that make me think you have to posess certain qualities in order to play 1.c4 correctly. You have to be really creative as well i think. I'm not sure if i posess such qualities. 1.e4 (the move i played before) seems much more straightforward. And i'm more of a straightforward kinda guy. When your opponent plays lines discussed in the book, i can handle myself pretty well. But when they respond with something weird looking i'm often left clueless  Embarrassed
  
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Re: Cummings Everyman English Repertoire
Reply #75 - 01/01/20 at 02:25:08
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I'm also interested to hear what he has to say about the specific move order you suggest as I can't find it in his book..... The position can arise via the symmetrical variation with the moves, 1 c4  c5 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 Nf3 e5 when after 4 e3 Nf6 we reach the position you refer to above. It is a bit of a nuisance for white and probably why David avoids this in his book by playing 2 Nf3 when faced with the symmetrical so that he can play 3 d4 after 2....Nc6.

But 2 Nf3 is not possible in the 1...e5 line so why does black not play 2...c5 more often?

In your move order the d5 square looks very inviting for the white pieces so my first thought would be 3 g3 followed by Bg2, but now 4....f5 and it is not all that clear so let's see what he has to say.

In passing I have played 1 c4 on and off for close to 50 years and have never faced 1...e5 followed by 2....c5...perhaps I've just been lucky!
  
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Re: Cummings Everyman English Repertoire
Reply #74 - 12/31/19 at 16:31:24
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Found it  Grin Thanks MW! Now for that other line i mentioned. Hope David will respond to that. But i'm pretty sure he's gonna recommend  a line with an early d4 since he tries to avoid g3 lines  in this book.

What would you play after 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 c5?

I want to try and avoid 3.g3 as well, so i'm looking at the following; 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 c5 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.e3 Nf6 5.d4  Smiley

But what if black plays 5...e4?

The main follow up is 6.Ne5. But Houdini like 6.Nd2 and 6.Ng5 a little better. It is probably just a nuance at such an early stage, but i'm not sure which i like best  Undecided

Is this discussed somewhere in the book? I just started reading it  Embarrassed
  
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