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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #43 - 07/13/21 at 20:38:03
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MNb wrote on 07/13/21 at 17:31:22:
Sandman wrote on 07/13/21 at 13:24:16:
I’m sure I have to be overlooking it but I’ve scanned through the book multiple times without seeing it.

However in this case there is a justification: after 6...Ne4 White is nearly winning with 7.Re1.
A bit worse is that 6...Ng4 is missing too; it should be answered with 7.Bf4.


Re1 is what I played in my game. It was between that, Qe2 or Bd5 so your statement gives me confidence in my choice.
  
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Reply #42 - 07/13/21 at 20:31:14
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Oh, thanks, that’s good to know. I was reluctant to say it was missing and then someone point out it actually was there somewhere.  Smiley
  
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Reply #41 - 07/13/21 at 17:31:22
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Sandman wrote on 07/13/21 at 13:24:16:
I’m sure I have to be overlooking it but I’ve scanned through the book multiple times without seeing it.

I suspect this is a typo - I'm sure you haven't overlooked it for the simple reason that the line is lacking. However in this case there is a justification: after 6...Ne4 White is nearly winning with 7.Re1.
A bit worse is that 6...Ng4 is missing too; it should be answered with 7.Bf4.
  
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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #40 - 07/13/21 at 13:27:10
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Although, in the previous chapter he does mention Ne4 but the moves 4….Bc5  5.o-o haven’t been played yet. Should white continue with Qe2 as suggested in this chapter?
1.e4 e5  2.Nf3 Nc6  3.d4 exd4  4.Bc4 Nf6  5.e5 Ne4 6. Qe2

An index variation would be nice.
  
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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #39 - 07/13/21 at 13:24:16
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For instance, in the Fishbein book I cannot find the following anywhere.
1.e4 e5  2.Nf3 Nc6  3.d4 exd4  4.Bc4 Bc5  5.o-o Nf6  6.e5 Ne4
I’m sure I have to be overlooking it but I’ve scanned through the book multiple times without seeing it.
  
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Reply #38 - 07/12/21 at 16:31:04
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PatzerNoster wrote on 10/17/17 at 21:45:07:
You are right, I missed that  Embarrassed

Somehow I find it hard to navigate the book without a variation index (I have the Kindle version).


I am right there with you!!! Very frustrating.

Why do books not include variations index? Seems like a no-brainer to me.
  
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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #37 - 07/06/20 at 01:03:04
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Bosch preferred putting the bishop on e2 if White is going to sac the pawn, saying that White gets compensation along the c- and d-files "in much the same way as he does in the Morra Gambit in the Sicilian."
  
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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #36 - 07/05/20 at 22:49:41
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Yes, 5...Na5 is objectively about equal, and certainly the most popular continuation 6.Qxd4 Nxc4 7.Qxc4 doesn't appeal to me. 

However, in the Chesslive.de database White has been scoring over 70% with 6.Bd3 offering the c3-pawn again.  It is no good declining it, as for example 6...d5 7.exd5 Qxd5 8.cxd4 gives White a very good version of the Göring Gambit Declined, with the king's bishop placed more actively on d3 (normally it has to go to e2 in that line) and Black having an offside knight on a5 and a passively placed bishop on e7.

Note that if 7...d6 8.0-0 Nc6 (if 8...Nf6 White can play 9.e5),
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Here 9.Bc4?! Nf6, as played in Vavruska-Golcman, Stare Mesto op 2009, would transpose to the Göring Gambit line 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.c3 dxc3 5.Nxc3 d6 6.Bc4 Nf6 7.0-0?! (7.Qb3) Be7, which is slightly better for Black.  But in the other games I can find, White has played either 9.Bf4 or 9.h3 (preventing ...Bg4). 

A key part of White's compensation in this line is that in the aforementioned Göring Gambit line, Black can get a good game by establishing a foothold on e5.  But in this version with White having an extra tempo and a bishop on d3, if Black puts a knight on e5, White can drop the bishop back to c2 or b1, or in some cases exchange knights on e5 and then play f2-f4.  If White can get e4-e5 in, it will give the king's bishop an open line to h7.  I think White has enough for the pawn here, but admittedly probably no advantage either.

And yes, I need to go back to that site and sort it asap as there are a few part-finished changes to it that have left some pages in disarray.  I had also been thinking in terms of modifying the navigation system so that there is less excessive emphasis on leaving the mouse over to pull out drop-down lists.
  
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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #35 - 07/03/20 at 21:50:11
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VGA wrote on 07/03/20 at 18:23:12:
After O-O I was intending 8.Bxg7!

That Na5 idea is annoying.

8. Bxg7 was also given as "!" in that Yearbook article (by IM Jeroen Bosch), with a main game of Smeets-Hoek from the Dutch under-12 championship in 1994.  (Smeets, who was about 9 at the time, later became a GM.)

As background here is something I wrote in 2008.  By the way, the Trifunovic/Poljakov reference is to a book from the 1970s.  The 2013 Yearbook article indeed had 5...Na5 as leading to approximate equality.
https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1201297347/15
  
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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #34 - 07/03/20 at 21:34:56
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SWJediknight wrote on 12/12/17 at 23:24:26:
The piece for three pawns line is 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Bb4+ 5.c3 dxc3 6.0-0 cxb2 7.Bxb2 Nf6 8.Ng5 0-0 9.e5 Nxe5!? 10.Bxe5 d5 if I remember correctly.

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In that line White has no real hope of chopping off the d5-pawn because not only is it currently defended twice, but there are also tactics against the knight on g5.


There is a lot of play in the position. White won a correspondence game following 11Bd3?! Better seems 11Qc2.
  
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Re: Book about 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 line
Reply #33 - 07/03/20 at 18:23:12
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 07/03/20 at 04:29:57:
Yes, 4...Be7 isn't considered good because of 5.c3, but after 5...dxc3 white should consider simply 6.Nxc3 rather than 6.Qd5. There's an old trap here:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Be7 5.c3 dxc3 6.Qd5 Nh6 7.Bxh6 O-O 8.Bc1? Nb4 -/+

Instead 8.Nxc3 is good for white, but so is 6.Nxc3.

After O-O I was intending 8.Bxg7!

That Na5 idea is annoying.

MNB, that is an interesting site but it is hard to navigate on a touch screen because the menu requires hovering the mouse over items Cheesy Bookmarked it!
  
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Reply #32 - 07/03/20 at 13:07:50
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VGA wrote on 07/02/20 at 23:29:48:
It is a good book to learn the opening but misses some moves/sidelines. It covers the critical moves

It's only good as a sort of starting out, but much critical stuff is neglected. Proably I've written it before, but you really should compare with

https://www.ianchessgambits.com

Unfortunately at the moment some pages are in disarray.
  
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Reply #31 - 07/03/20 at 05:37:35
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I knew you would point that out. I really did!  Smiley
I was just sticking to the narrow path.
  
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Reply #30 - 07/03/20 at 05:26:30
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But after 5. c3 Black can also play 5...Na5 (given as "!" in a Yearbook article on it in 2013).
  
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Reply #29 - 07/03/20 at 04:29:57
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Yes, 4...Be7 isn't considered good because of 5.c3, but after 5...dxc3 white should consider simply 6.Nxc3 rather than 6.Qd5. There's an old trap here:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Be7 5.c3 dxc3 6.Qd5 Nh6 7.Bxh6 O-O 8.Bc1? Nb4 -/+

Instead 8.Nxc3 is good for white, but so is 6.Nxc3.
  
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