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MarinFan Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 435 Location: Leeds Joined: 04/04/06 Gender:	Re: 1.c4 e6 from Black's point of view. Reply #6 - 06/12/24 at 08:41:05	Post Tools	Print Post
	White can move order you out of playing a catalan with Bb4ch. Being dependent on a nicety like Bb4ch, Bd2 Be7 doesn't look like it should be important in club chess, the closed positions with Be7 immediately shouldn't be so different. It is what recommended in "Countering the Queen's Gambit" by Prusikin, a nice book which gives full rep against c4 and Nf3 based around e6, d5. There are quite a few Queen's Gambit books/courses these days. "Keep it simple for black", "Playing 1.d4 d5" Quality chess book, a chess stars one and the most recent modernised Queen's Gambit from Thinker's Publisher's. Some of those fit with their Catalan recommendation by playing d5xc4 early, otherwise can think about an early d4 like in a Nepo v Carlsen world championship game.


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befuddled YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 38 Joined: 12/06/10	Re: 1.c4 e6 from Black's point of view. Reply #5 - 02/25/17 at 15:19:37	Post Tools	Print Post
	Thanks for the tips, guys! Cummings' line is particularly annoying.


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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	Re: 1.c4 e6 from Black's point of view. Reply #4 - 02/25/17 at 08:00:27	Post Tools	Print Post
	You mainly need something against 2.g3 d5 3.Bg2 (some ...dxc4 lines are less effective in this order, see Wojtaszek's Tata Steel game), and also it would be sensible to check the trendy 1.c4 e6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e3. Mikhalevski covers the latter line via. another move order, but not the g3/Bg2 setup against ...e6 iirc. You might check the ...d4 approaches for something ambitious.

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Stigma God Member Offline There is a crack in everything. Posts: 3272 Joined: 11/07/06 Gender:	Re: 1.c4 e6 from Black's point of view. Reply #3 - 02/25/17 at 00:28:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	Isn't Black doing quite well with both 1.c4 e6 2.Nf3 d5 3.b3 dxc4 (intending 4.bxc4 e5!?) and 1.c4 e6 2.Nf3 d5 3.g3 dxc4 in recent practice? In the latter line, Black is "a tempo up" on getting his queenside together since he has delayed ...Nf6. I have noticed several strong players as White going 1.Nf3 e6 2.g3 or 1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 e6 3.Bg2, only committing to c4 once/if Black plays ...Nf6, presumably to avoid this ...dxc4 without ...Nf6 line. Obviously this requires some flexibility from White; he may play a Reti without b3, a Reti with b3, a King's Indian Attack or a reversed Grünfeld, depending on Black's setup. P. S. If I'm not mistaken, the new Cummings repertoire book has White play 1.c4 e6 2.Nc3 d5 3.e3, so you need something against that as well.

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LeeRoth God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 1520 Joined: 10/22/05	Re: 1.c4 e6 from Black's point of view. Reply #2 - 02/24/17 at 19:27:12	Post Tools	Print Post
	befuddled wrote on 02/23/17 at 23:43:46: I plan to have 1.c4 e6 as a secondary weapon against 1.c4 and 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 e6 as a secondary weapon against 1.Nf3. I am happy to transpose into a Ragozin QGD, QGE or a Catalan with Bb4+. Apart from these what are the main lines for Black to know? It seems that all the resources are from White's point of view which is a shame for such natural moves by Black (...e6,...d5,...Nf6). Anyone got an idea? You basically need to know the QGD and the Reti. Most of the time, the Reti leads to the position that arises after 1.c4 e6 2.Nf3 d5 3.b3 Nf6 4.Bg2 Be7 5.g3 0-0 6.Bg2 c5 7.e3 Nc6 8.0-0, when your basic choice is to continue a la the QID (8..b6) or the reversed Benoni (8..d4). Of course, there are deviations. Two important ones for Black to consider: After 3.b3, Black can try 3..Be7 4.Bb2 Bf6, opposing the Bishops; while against 3.g3, the move 3..dxc4 can be effective.


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RdC God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 868 Joined: 05/17/08	Re: 1.c4 e6 from Black's point of view. Reply #1 - 02/24/17 at 09:40:42	Post Tools	Print Post
	befuddled wrote on 02/23/17 at 23:43:46: Apart from these what are the main lines for Black to know? If White follows up with d4, you can transpose to something in the Queens Gambit, Catalan, Nimzo etc complex. A set of independent lines you may need to know something about would be where White plays 2. e4 or 3. e4


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befuddled YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 38 Joined: 12/06/10	1.c4 e6 from Black's point of view. 02/23/17 at 23:43:46	Post Tools	Print Post
	I plan to have 1.c4 e6 as a secondary weapon against 1.c4 and 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 e6 as a secondary weapon against 1.Nf3. I am happy to transpose into a Ragozin QGD, QGE or a Catalan with Bb4+. Apart from these what are the main lines for Black to know? It seems that all the resources are from White's point of view which is a shame for such natural moves by Black (...e6,...d5,...Nf6). Anyone got an idea?


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