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Re: New Book on the Samisch
Reply #87 - 04/30/19 at 10:06:03
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Leon_Trotsky wrote on 04/30/19 at 03:53:09:
But does a 1. d4 player feel comfortable transposing to 1. e4 ¿

It is the Pirc, but. I may be biased, but I play 1. d4 and would only prefer to be on Black's side of Pirc  Cheesy


Schandorff, Kaufman and Kornev all propose Pirc in their repertoire books, so yes, he might.
  
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Re: New Book on the Samisch
Reply #86 - 04/30/19 at 03:53:09
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But does a 1. d4 player feel comfortable transposing to 1. e4 ¿

It is the Pirc, but. I may be biased, but I play 1. d4 and would only prefer to be on Black's side of Pirc  Cheesy
  
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Re: New Book on the Samisch
Reply #85 - 04/29/19 at 21:06:34
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The French transposition that I mentioned in my last post (and not in the book) is 1.d4 d6 2.e4 Nf6 3.f3 d5 4.e5 Ng8 5.f4 e6 6.Nc3 transposing directly to 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Ng8 5. f4 c5 with one move lost on both sides.  The French position is also reached via the move order that I have personally played for Black, 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 Bf8 5.f4 c5.  That variation is playable (I suppose), but considered better for White.  In the Pirc move order, White might play something else at move 5 like 5.c4 or 5.Be3, which could possibly be even stronger than 5.f4.  So both 1.d4 d6 2.e4 Nf6 3.f3 d5 4.e5 Nfd7 and 4...Ng8 can lead directly to the French Defense. 

Regarding Marin's line, I would have to do some more research to make an actual recommendation for White.  Clearly White's best move is 1.d4 d6 2.e4 Nf6 3.Nc3! though.
  
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Re: New Book on the Samisch
Reply #84 - 04/29/19 at 18:13:29
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Hi.

Okay. I understand that 1.d4 d6 was a secondary concern for a book more generally on the Saemisch KID.

After 4...Ng8 the french transpositions are losing tempos for black. The story is different after 4...Nfd7 as then there are direct transpositions; which you note in the book. This makes it not so obvious how to setup after 4...Ng8 (as black especially) in my opinion. I guess you still try c5 as black and maybe e6+Ne7 but even if you get a sort of more solid piece configuration compared to normal French Steinitz positions a lot of time will have been lost.

I too am (now at least) far away from civilization, i.e. a place wherd chess books are not found. From memory I can say that Marin goes for a quick Nfd7+Ne5 (and possibly Bh4+ since g3 is not always good if there can be Nxf3+ sacrifice ideas). I think the line was:
1.d4 d6 2.e4 Nf6 3.f3 c5 4.d5 e6 5.c4 exd5 6.cxd5 Be7 7.Nc3 0-0 8.Bd3 Nfd7!? and some kind of hope of inconvenience for white. Not sure how well it works.

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Re: New Book on the Samisch
Reply #83 - 04/29/19 at 16:38:37
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I have played 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 Bf8!? in a couple of serious games, so I have some sympathies for 1.d4 d6 2.e4 Nf6 3.f3 d5 4.e5 Ng8, which could actually transpose to the French after 5.f4 e6 6.Nc3.  I think that White has some additional challenging options, though.  Dreev has played 5.c4, while Georgiev has played the flexible 5.Be3 first.  Still, even if the best that White can do is a transposition to that French line, from a theoretical point of view White should be quite happy.

These lines are all pretty minor and far afield from the King's Indian.  Marin's 6...Be7!? looks very sensible to me offhand, but I wouldn't claim that Black has no problems to solve. I'm on my work computer without Chessbase, but I notice a game Moiseenko - Kayumov from 2014 that looks promising for White.

My idea to include some of the Pirc and Modern move orders in the book was to give a general outline of potential ways of playing against those openings that might lead to similar play as the Saemisch King's Indian, not to give an exhaustive repertoire.  I wanted to provoke some thought about move orders and allow White players to decide for themselves how to best handle the Pirc and Modern, and include a few challenging ideas for White as a basis for further investigation.  I also point out that White can't play too stereotypically against these move orders, or Black will end up with an improved version of a standard variation, and showed a couple of places where that can happen. 

From a practical point of view, I've almost always played 1.d4 d6 2.e4 Nf6 3.f3, because my games have gone either 3...g6 now, 3...d5, or 3...c5 4.d5 with a Benoni or King's Indian transposition soon.  I don't, however, think that 3.f3 is the best move in that position, which I'm sure is 3.Nc3!.  I couldn't cover the entire Pirc and Modern as well, though!

Saemisch players aren't the only ones who face some move order issues against 1...d6, of course, and we all have to figure out how to best handle these sidelines for ourselves.
  
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Re: New Book on the Samisch
Reply #82 - 04/29/19 at 15:28:31
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Maybe not very Kings's Indian-y stuff though Wink
  
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Re: New Book on the Samisch
Reply #81 - 04/29/19 at 15:25:46
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Hi.

After having this book for a few months I see now that towards the end a small part on 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.f3 is included. It being recommended over 1.d4 d6 2.c4 e5.

I was wondering if you have any thoughts on:
1.d4 d6 2.e4 Nf6 3.f3 c5
Since it is the move recommended in both Marin's GM rep on the Pirc and also Kornev's Pirc book if I remember correctly.

I guess 4.d5 is consistent with other stuff in the book. Then however, I thought it is not completely obvious a Benoni transposition is coming. There is the DW Pirc/Modern (again with the Pirc books!) recommendation:
1.d4 d6 2.e4 Nf6 3.f3 c5 4.d5 e6 5.c4 b5!?
Which yea... You would have like to have seen before you face it (I recall seeing some similar line in an Avrukh book as well but have very much forgotten pretty much all of the details).
And Marin's interesting looking:
1.d4 d6 2.e4 Nf6 3.f3 c5 4.d5 e6 5.c4 exd5 6.cxd5 Be7!?
Any thoughts on these?

Also I thought about another line:
1.d4 d6 2.e4 Nf6 3.f3 d5 4.e5 Ng8!?
Once one of my team mates, with a forte for slow grovelling chess, lit up immensly when we discussed the option of putting the knight here instead of d7. In contrast, it is a playable line but does not look so appealing because of basically being a passive move, was my view.
Does white still try 5.c4!?.

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Re: New Book on the Samisch
Reply #80 - 08/16/18 at 19:08:01
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I appreciate the feedback, thank you!
  
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Re: New Book on the Samisch
Reply #79 - 08/15/18 at 19:50:40
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That's great , much appreciated Eric! Your book is excellent and I have been getting really good positions against some strong players.
  
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Re: New Book on the Samisch
Reply #78 - 08/15/18 at 15:18:21
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Krudos wrote on 08/15/18 at 11:57:11:
In the Modern Benoni main line (Chapter 4), Black can play an early Nh7, for example, 9...a6 10 a4 h6 11 Be3 Nh7 . Any views on how White should play eg 12 Nge2 Nd7 13 Nc1 or Nd1?


Did I not cover this in the book?  Perhaps it was trimmed, as it's not very common. 

An early ...Nh7 does protect the h-pawn indirectly, but doesn't make much sense unless Black wants to play ...f7-f5.  For that reason, I'd suggest 13.Nf4 Ne5 14.Be2, when Black's best move is probably putting the knight back where it belongs with 14...Nf6! (14...f5? 15.Ne6! similar to other positions in the book).  After 15.b3 White has scored very well in my database: 3 wins and 1 draw, and three of those games were between players rated 2450+.  The one drawn game was a monumental defensive effort by Black who was fortunate to draw after being down an Exchange.  I notice that the computer often wants Black to play a later ...g6-g5, but that's obviously risky in a game between two humans and I'd prefer White here.

Going back a bit, a semi-waiting move like 13.a5!? is interesting, to get more information before committing the knight.  It also avoids the possibility of 13.Nf4 Qa5!?, which Black might want to look into.  12.a5!? is also not stupid.

I hope that helps!
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Re: New Book on the Samisch
Reply #77 - 08/15/18 at 11:57:11
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In the Modern Benoni main line (Chapter 4), Black can play an early Nh7, for example, 9...a6 10 a4 h6 11 Be3 Nh7 . Any views on how White should play eg 12 Nge2 Nd7 13 Nc1 or Nd1?
  
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Re: New Book on the Samisch
Reply #76 - 03/04/18 at 17:41:09
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That's great! thanks.
  
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Re: New Book on the Samisch
Reply #75 - 03/04/18 at 17:26:57
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befuddled wrote on 03/04/18 at 10:01:25:
ErictheRed wrote on 12/01/17 at 17:32:12:
Oh yes, the book came to 90 pages on 6...Nc6, mostly devoted to the Panno variation, but there is plenty of space to cover many deviations, such as 7...e5?! and 7...Re8?!. 

As an aside, ...h6 generally shouldn't be combined with 6...Nc6.


What do we do against 6...h6 7. Be3 Nc6 8. Nge2 e5? Only 8...a6 is in the book as far as I can tell.


Play 9.d5! (this is almost always our response to ...e5), after which White has a 73% score in my database.  Play should be very similar to Game 4 and the notes, though even better for White because Qd1-d2 will force Black to spend a tempo defending the h-pawn.  You could compare the line to 6...h6 7.Be3 e5?! 8.d5! as well; again White has an improved position, because compared to that variation White wins a tempo by attacking the c6-knight.

In fact I don't see what Black is going to do with the knight, since he can't play it to d4.  Going to e7 would be a worse version of my Game 4, so that only leaves the a5 square.  Here's an old game from a world champion:




And here's a more recent example:


  
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Re: New Book on the Samisch
Reply #74 - 03/04/18 at 10:01:25
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ErictheRed wrote on 12/01/17 at 17:32:12:
Oh yes, the book came to 90 pages on 6...Nc6, mostly devoted to the Panno variation, but there is plenty of space to cover many deviations, such as 7...e5?! and 7...Re8?!. 

As an aside, ...h6 generally shouldn't be combined with 6...Nc6.


What do we do against 6...h6 7. Be3 Nc6 8. Nge2 e5? Only 8...a6 is in the book as far as I can tell.
  
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Re: New Book on the Samisch
Reply #73 - 02/22/18 at 05:30:00
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Thanks Max!  Here's another review that I just noticed:
https://chesscafe.com/book-reviews/the-modern-samisch-by-eric-montany/
  
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