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Re: old indian gambit
Reply #4 - 05/31/17 at 05:53:25
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It's probably not too horrible, but not especially good either. I remember something similar being discussed in the Yrola/Tella "Explosive" book (might've been 1 d4 d6 2 Nf3 Bg4 3 c4 e5!?/?!).

Anyways, I think you're underestimating the liveliness of the Queenless middlegame: everything's still on the board but the Queens, and White has made a serious concession in the form of c2-c4. If you really want to avoid this sort of thing, I'd advise staying away from the 1...d6/2...e5 move order altogether.
  
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Re: old indian gambit
Reply #3 - 05/31/17 at 05:13:29
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It's a true gambit, not like that shamefully misnamed Queen's Gambit  Wink. By true gambit, I mean there's real risk involved!

Black certainly gets some compensation for the pawn, especially with c4 just being a wasted tempo. Hard to say if it's enough, but if White goes exd you've got 3 tempos and an open center for it.

Since when playing for a win with Black I'd go 3. ..de (it's one of my best scoring Black lines), I might only consider giving this a punt for blitz or fun  Cheesy
  

Those who want to go by my perverse footsteps play such pawn structure with fuzzy atypical still strategic orientations

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Re: old indian gambit
Reply #2 - 05/31/17 at 02:54:02
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Bibs wrote on 05/31/17 at 01:00:09:
It's bad. That's the reason it's not played.
Black drops a pawn for nothing. Black playing for a loss more than the win there.


[Well, one can always play 3..dxe5 and allow the harmless Queen swap, but that can dry up the winning chances.]

It's the Portuguese gambit, now I remember its name. It may have been introduced and/or popularized by some master(s) in Portugal back in the 1990s.

I wonder why you think it's so bad. Would you accept or decline the gambit? (I assume 'accept', since you think it's bad) Black does get a lead in development and lively play, so against a surprised opponent I would like my chances as the better prepared player. I'd play it against players in the 1900-2150 Elo range, when going for a win.
  

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Re: old indian gambit
Reply #1 - 05/31/17 at 01:00:09
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It's bad. That's the reason it's not played.
Black drops a pawn for nothing. Black playing for a loss more than the win there.
  
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old indian gambit
05/31/17 at 00:18:21
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1. d4 d6 2 c4 e5 3 dxe Nc6!? avoiding the Q trade and playing for a win with black. What do you think? (No idea what it's called.)

Undecided
  

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