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Re: English/Reti/Nimzo-Larsen mover orders
Reply #5 - 08/27/17 at 11:36:50
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I have used the 1.Nf3 d5 2.e3 move order to discourage the 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 d4 reversed Benoni which is very promising for Black.  As you noted, although 2.e3 is committal it still allows some interesting transpositions.  You can easily combine it with much of David Cumming's "Opening Repertoire: The English" as he advocates e2-e3 in a number of lines.
  
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Re: English/Reti/Nimzo-Larsen mover orders
Reply #4 - 08/26/17 at 23:05:56
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I'll have to look at Axel Smith's book. I've been liking 1.Nf3, 2.b3. The early e3 seems somewhat committal: delaying it leaves options that the light-squared bishop might go to g3.

Those e3 QID lines are fascinating, though. I played them a few times in cc: really liked White's play...
  

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Re: English/Reti/Nimzo-Larsen mover orders
Reply #3 - 08/26/17 at 21:51:25
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I have also used these setups successfully in blitz. 1.Nf3 d5 2.e3 Nf6 3.c4 e6 4.b3 b6 5.Bb2 Bb7 6.Nc3 a6 and ...Bd6/...0-0/...Nbd7 is perhaps the most established equaliser, but this is going to transpose to an e3 QID after White's d2-d4, and that's definitely not what Black intended with 1...d5.

These setups can also be a bit annoying for Grunfeld players (if you play c4 before they go ...d5, you have cxd5/Bxg7), but KID players can still play their ...e5 setup for a relatively easy life - so you may choose your system depending on the opponent's repertoire.
  

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Re: English/Reti/Nimzo-Larsen mover orders
Reply #2 - 08/26/17 at 19:14:38
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Yes, from what I understand, e3 Poison is written with the specific purpose of exploring your question regarding move orders to reach the generic set-up you mentioned.
  
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Re: English/Reti/Nimzo-Larsen mover orders
Reply #1 - 08/26/17 at 14:06:50
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HgMan wrote on 08/26/17 at 13:53:45:
I've been bashing around with a variety of ways of getting to a fairly standard position for White: pawns on b3, c4, d4, & e3; knights on f3 & c3; bishops on b2 & e2; queen on c2, etc. The recent fun has involved starting with 1.Nf3, 2.b3 or, simply, 1.b3. I don't pretend that White has any tangible advantage here, beyond the fact that White's plan is pretty clear and relatively easy to play.

This morning at Innsbruck, Tarlev-Huber began 1.Nf3 d5 2.e3 and acquired the same set-up. Of course, White can also get there via 1.c4 and, frequently, though less reliably, from 1.d4. I doubt this has any great theoretical value, but is there a particular move order that tends to push Black into a less desirable set-up? Does anyone have any strong feelings or preferences?


I would look at Axel Smith's e3 poison and Delchev's Anti-slav repertoire for some ideas/move orders. They all have their pro & cons.
  
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English/Reti/Nimzo-Larsen mover orders
08/26/17 at 13:53:45
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I've been bashing around with a variety of ways of getting to a fairly standard position for White: pawns on b3, c4, d4, & e3; knights on f3 & c3; bishops on b2 & e2; queen on c2, etc. The recent fun has involved starting with 1.Nf3, 2.b3 or, simply, 1.b3. I don't pretend that White has any tangible advantage here, beyond the fact that White's plan is pretty clear and relatively easy to play.

This morning at Innsbruck, Tarlev-Huber began 1.Nf3 d5 2.e3 and acquired the same set-up. Of course, White can also get there via 1.c4 and, frequently, though less reliably, from 1.d4. I doubt this has any great theoretical value, but is there a particular move order that tends to push Black into a less desirable set-up? Does anyone have any strong feelings or preferences?
  

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