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Reply #44 - 11/05/19 at 19:55:04
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Jupp53 wrote on 11/04/19 at 14:43:38:
Nice dragon update in october!


I agree! The Dragon Update in October is absolutely beautiful! I really appreciate the effort Chris has put into this Update, thank you so much for that  Smiley Smiley
  
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Reply #43 - 11/04/19 at 14:43:38
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Nice dragon update in october!
  

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Reply #42 - 10/19/19 at 13:59:07
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/03/19 at 12:15:36:
I often look at annotated games (here and elsewhere) and wonder about an obvious move which isn't even mentioned.

I just thought I'd give a quick example that I just noticed in the October KID update. If you look at the Gligoric Variation diagram (https://www.chesspublishing.com/content/9/index.htm#cla), it says that Black played 16...Bf5!? Now, my immediate thought was: why can't White capture on f5 and then on d5? So, I looked at the analysis and David has devoted a lot of space to all the many alternatives that have been tried in this position, but no mention of 17 Nxf5. On further inspection I see that absolutely no-one has played it (from 14 games), so I suppose it must be really bad!
After 17 Nxf5 Nxf5 18 Qxd5? obviously loses to 18...Qxd5 19 Nxd5 Bxb2, but what about 18 Nxd5, then? According to SF 18...Nfd4 19 Nc3 Qe7 is a little better for Black but it's not much after 20 Kg2.
This is a well-annotated game, with a lot of research and analysis using powerful tools, and yet ...
Incidentally, 18 f4 (after 17 Nxf5 Nxf5) might even be a bit better for White!
  
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Reply #41 - 10/12/19 at 09:43:39
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Dragon wrote on 10/11/19 at 14:28:01:
If I'm reading your answer, quoting exactly the sentence which you have wrote

That's just the point, I didn't write that sentence so it wasn't an exact quote.
Anyway, rather than just forwarding the messages, we will also send an acknowledgement that we've received it from now on.
Chris Ward has promised to send me his update this morning, and also promised to respond directly afterwards.
  
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Reply #40 - 10/11/19 at 20:09:52
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Dragon wrote on 10/11/19 at 14:28:01:
MTonyKosten wrote Today at 11:23:28:
Dragon wrote yesterday at 20:40:43:
I just summarised how I understood your answer.
We have to use the 'Mark & quote' button to quote exactly what another member has actually written. As soon as we start 'quoting' what we thought they may have meant, or how we interpreted it, or in a way to further our own argument, then I'm afraid we are on the road to anarchy.

Frankly, I don't see your point. If I'm reading your answer, quoting exactly the sentence which you have wrote, and tell you how I (and some others) understood the answer, it's not a road to anarchy but a discussion.


Sitting in front of a desktop Mark&Quote works here.

For me it's a discussion, probably disagreeable for all participants. So it's better to stay cautious with evaluations.

If a subscriber sends a mail an answer about the arrival and the further procedure should be given (and a copy sent to the author of the section). Isn't this usual buisiness conduct, is it?
  

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Reply #39 - 10/11/19 at 15:25:25
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Dragon wrote on 10/11/19 at 14:28:01:
Apart I don't really get the difference between "Mark & Quote" and "Quote" anyway.

'Mark and Quote' allows you to select a part of a post and quote it in your reply – as I've just done here – while 'Quote' causes the entire post to appear in your reply.
  
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Reply #38 - 10/11/19 at 14:28:01
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/11/19 at 10:23:28:
Dragon wrote on 10/10/19 at 19:40:43:
I just summarised how I understood your answer.

We have to use the 'Mark & quote' button to quote exactly what another member has actually written. As soon as we start 'quoting' what we thought they may have meant, or how we interpreted it, or in a way to further our own argument, then I'm afraid we are on the road to anarchy.


Frankly, I don't see your point. If I'm reading your answer, quoting exactly the sentence which you have wrote, and tell you how I (and some others) understood the answer, it's not a road to anarchy but a discussion.
Claiming to be on the road to anarchy just comfortably avoids to discuss the interpretation of your answer.

Apart I don't really get the difference between "Mark & Quote" and "Quote" anyway.




  
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Reply #37 - 10/11/19 at 13:29:16
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I don't really agree with Dragon's email complaint, although as a paying subscriber his expectations are what they are, and he is entitled to them. But "road to anarchy" got my attention.

  • Mark & Quote does not do anything on my mobile, so I have gotten into the habit of using Quote and deleting the non-relevant parts.
  • I try to be respectful of the author's original intent when editing their words. No doubt I am not 100% successful. I don't insert words, and rarely change them, but sometimes I will correct single-letter typos. Sometimes not.
  • I'm on the desktop now and used Mark & Quote on GMTonyKosten's Reply #9, from "We" up to "subscribers." Below is the result. To my eye there isn't any difference from what Dragon posted.

GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/23/19 at 08:14:39:
We pass any emails from subscribers on to the appropriate writer, some of these answer directly and some don't. However, nowhere does it say that you will actually get an answer directly from them, the point is that they will consider the suggested lines in their updates providing they find it sufficiently interesting for other subscribers.

  
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Reply #36 - 10/11/19 at 10:23:28
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Dragon wrote on 10/10/19 at 19:40:43:
I just summarised how I understood your answer.

We have to use the 'Mark & quote' button to quote exactly what another member has actually written. As soon as we start 'quoting' what we thought they may have meant, or how we interpreted it, or in a way to further our own argument, then I'm afraid we are on the road to anarchy.
  
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Reply #35 - 10/10/19 at 19:40:43
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/02/19 at 14:34:42:
Indeed, where did you read this?


I just summarised how I understood your answer. And I can tell you, that not only I took it in exactly this way.

GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/23/19 at 08:14:39:
We pass any emails from subscribers on to the appropriate writer, some of these answer directly and some don't. However, nowhere does it say that you will actually get an answer directly from them, the point is that they will consider the suggested lines in their updates providing they find it sufficiently interesting for other subscribers.


So, and how wonderful would be a september dragon update?
Will it come at all, while other sections are already giving october updates?
  
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Reply #34 - 10/06/19 at 12:24:20
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/03/19 at 12:15:36:
It is inconceivable that a titled chessplayer does any analysis without a strong engine nowadays, or even these last twenty or more years for that matter. However, it is obviously up to him to decide which lines he considers important.


That's true and another point. The engine is only a tool as the subscription is most probably done by a human.  Wink  Grin
  

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Reply #33 - 10/05/19 at 21:39:54
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/03/19 at 12:15:36:
Personally I find the opposite to be the bigger problem: over-reliance on the computer. I often look at annotated games (here and elsewhere) and wonder about an obvious move which isn't even mentioned. The problem is that an engine will reject it immediately if there is a refutation and so the annotator doesn't even notice it if he is just following the computer's suggestions.
                   


I agree. Good analysis should point out why some reasonable tries don't really work, and also elaborate more on the ideas behind certain moves, like hidden threats or intended maneuvers.

Another issue I have with a lot of the published analysis that I see (not necessarily here) is that most of the early moves in the opening phase are often given without any background information as to how the whole variation evolved.

I think I learned more about opening variations such as the Dragon from old analysis by Tartakower, who actually bothered to explain why some moves were playable, while others not so much.

Over time the tendency has become to short-shrift the opening and take all the moves to a certain point for granted.
  

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Reply #32 - 10/03/19 at 12:15:36
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Jupp53 wrote on 10/01/19 at 23:36:27:
It's a blundercheck AND the author sees when to explain his choice against the engine in those days when you get a great free engine with stockfish even on old hardware. This is simply state of the art today and refusing this is rejecting to deliver the complete work.

It is inconceivable that a titled chessplayer does any analysis without a strong engine nowadays, or even these last twenty or more years for that matter. However, it is obviously up to him to decide which lines he considers important.
Personally I find the opposite to be the bigger problem: over-reliance on the computer. I often look at annotated games (here and elsewhere) and wonder about an obvious move which isn't even mentioned. The problem is that an engine will reject it immediately if there is a refutation and so the annotator doesn't even notice it if he is just following the computer's suggestions.
  
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Reply #31 - 10/02/19 at 14:34:42
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Dragon wrote on 10/02/19 at 12:33:34:
Stating more or less "Well you can ask questions but nowhere is said that you'll get a response" is an astonishing statement.

Indeed, where did you read this?
  
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Reply #30 - 10/02/19 at 14:30:22
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Dragon wrote on 09/19/19 at 17:02:59:
In the only game with the critical line (Ulloa-Abarca Gonzalez) my engine clearly prefers 17. g5 but considers 17. Bd3 already as a mistake (not marked in the analyses). Still, 17. g5 is not even mentioned in the analyses.

I just noticed that 17 g5 is the mainline given in Chris Ward's Yugoslav PDF eBook, and the ChessPub Guide, and that he had analysed this previously. I suppose he should have referenced this in his annotations, I always do myself, but some of the writers don't always bother.
  
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