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Reply #53 - 02/01/20 at 20:59:33
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Also thumbs up from me!

Very nice to see our questions answered (even if it means that 10.h3! is indeed strong and Black has problems)!
  
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Reply #52 - 02/01/20 at 20:34:20
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 01/10/20 at 12:48:44:
PatzerNoster wrote on 12/27/19 at 13:22:35:
@Tony: there is a discussion going on about the Accelerated Dragon where we established that Chris Ward so far has not looked at a very critical attempt by White in the Classical Maroczy, namely 10.h3: https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1552746098/30#30

It would be great if he could cover this in one of the future updates, I think there should be no shortage of recent games.

I've only just noticed this, I will ask Chris to look at it. Smiley


Great, thanks a lot Tony (and of course Chris as well)! The last update included two out of Black's three most common responses to 10. h3!?
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PatzerNoster wrote on 12/27/19 at 13:22:35:
@Tony: there is a discussion going on about the Accelerated Dragon where we established that Chris Ward so far has not looked at a very critical attempt by White in the Classical Maroczy, namely 10.h3: https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1552746098/30#30

It would be great if he could cover this in one of the future updates, I think there should be no shortage of recent games.

I've only just noticed this, I will ask Chris to look at it. Smiley
  
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Reply #50 - 01/02/20 at 15:15:37
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PatzerNoster wrote on 12/27/19 at 13:22:35:
The new "e4 others" update is there and I had a look at the lines about 4.h4 h5 5.Bg5.

Big thanks to Dan for this very interesting and inspirational analysis!

@Tony: there is a discussion going on about the Accelerated Dragon where we established that Chris Ward so far has not looked at a very critical attempt by White in the Classical Maroczy, namely 10.h3: https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1552746098/30#30

It would be great if he could cover this in one of the future updates, I think there should be no shortage of recent games.


This was not commented on in the latest update. I agree that it would be very nice if this is included in a future update!
  
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Reply #49 - 12/27/19 at 13:22:35
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The new "e4 others" update is there and I had a look at the lines about 4.h4 h5 5.Bg5.

Big thanks to Dan for this very interesting and inspirational analysis!

@Tony: there is a discussion going on about the Accelerated Dragon where we established that Chris Ward so far has not looked at a very critical attempt by White in the Classical Maroczy, namely 10.h3: https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1552746098/30#30

It would be great if he could cover this in one of the future updates, I think there should be no shortage of recent games.
  
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Reply #48 - 11/21/19 at 17:50:43
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Excellent, can't wait to see that analysis!
Thank you very much!
  
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Reply #47 - 11/21/19 at 12:17:59
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 11/21/19 at 11:14:40:
I will ask him Wink

Apparently, Daniel's  current thinking is that 6...Qxd4 is not at all clear, and he won't be recommending it in the 2nd edition of his book next year.
He may give some of his analysis next month.
  
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PatzerNoster wrote on 11/20/19 at 23:52:38:
@TonyKosten: perhaps you can bring some light into the darkness?!

I will ask him Wink
  
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Reply #45 - 11/20/19 at 23:52:38
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I have some comments about the November update of the 1.e4 ... section.

While Daniel Fernandez' comments on the game Vucinic-Kobalia are excellent and on point, I was rather puzzled by his endorsement of 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.h4 h5 5.Bg5 in Takacz-Murzin.
The website says "My point in pairing these games is to claim that 5.Bg5 is a more accurate move-order. Unless he wants to play the idea of ...Qa5+ before White has exchanged light-squared bishops, there seems little alternative for fighting for equality other than 7...e6 8.Nd2 c5."

This line is known for some time now to be dubious and the reason is 5. ... Qb6 6.Bd3 Qd4:!, which is not mentioned in the ChessPublishing analysis, but to add to the confusion is recommended by Fernandez for Black in his Caro-Kann repertoire "The Modernized Caro-Kann".  Shocked

So either there are some things which Daniel doesn't want to reveal or he has just forgotten about the line.
Or this is a way to get some cheap points from future opponents  Grin

@TonyKosten: perhaps you can bring some light into the darkness?!
  
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Reply #44 - 11/05/19 at 19:55:04
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Jupp53 wrote on 11/04/19 at 14:43:38:
Nice dragon update in october!


I agree! The Dragon Update in October is absolutely beautiful! I really appreciate the effort Chris has put into this Update, thank you so much for that  Smiley Smiley
  
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Reply #43 - 11/04/19 at 14:43:38
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Nice dragon update in october!
  

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Reply #42 - 10/19/19 at 13:59:07
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/03/19 at 12:15:36:
I often look at annotated games (here and elsewhere) and wonder about an obvious move which isn't even mentioned.

I just thought I'd give a quick example that I just noticed in the October KID update. If you look at the Gligoric Variation diagram (https://www.chesspublishing.com/content/9/index.htm#cla), it says that Black played 16...Bf5!? Now, my immediate thought was: why can't White capture on f5 and then on d5? So, I looked at the analysis and David has devoted a lot of space to all the many alternatives that have been tried in this position, but no mention of 17 Nxf5. On further inspection I see that absolutely no-one has played it (from 14 games), so I suppose it must be really bad!
After 17 Nxf5 Nxf5 18 Qxd5? obviously loses to 18...Qxd5 19 Nxd5 Bxb2, but what about 18 Nxd5, then? According to SF 18...Nfd4 19 Nc3 Qe7 is a little better for Black but it's not much after 20 Kg2.
This is a well-annotated game, with a lot of research and analysis using powerful tools, and yet ...
Incidentally, 18 f4 (after 17 Nxf5 Nxf5) might even be a bit better for White!
  
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Reply #41 - 10/12/19 at 09:43:39
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Dragon wrote on 10/11/19 at 14:28:01:
If I'm reading your answer, quoting exactly the sentence which you have wrote

That's just the point, I didn't write that sentence so it wasn't an exact quote.
Anyway, rather than just forwarding the messages, we will also send an acknowledgement that we've received it from now on.
Chris Ward has promised to send me his update this morning, and also promised to respond directly afterwards.
  
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Dragon wrote on 10/11/19 at 14:28:01:
MTonyKosten wrote Today at 11:23:28:
Dragon wrote yesterday at 20:40:43:
I just summarised how I understood your answer.
We have to use the 'Mark & quote' button to quote exactly what another member has actually written. As soon as we start 'quoting' what we thought they may have meant, or how we interpreted it, or in a way to further our own argument, then I'm afraid we are on the road to anarchy.

Frankly, I don't see your point. If I'm reading your answer, quoting exactly the sentence which you have wrote, and tell you how I (and some others) understood the answer, it's not a road to anarchy but a discussion.


Sitting in front of a desktop Mark&Quote works here.

For me it's a discussion, probably disagreeable for all participants. So it's better to stay cautious with evaluations.

If a subscriber sends a mail an answer about the arrival and the further procedure should be given (and a copy sent to the author of the section). Isn't this usual buisiness conduct, is it?
  

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Dragon wrote on 10/11/19 at 14:28:01:
Apart I don't really get the difference between "Mark & Quote" and "Quote" anyway.

'Mark and Quote' allows you to select a part of a post and quote it in your reply – as I've just done here – while 'Quote' causes the entire post to appear in your reply.
  
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/11/19 at 10:23:28:
Dragon wrote on 10/10/19 at 19:40:43:
I just summarised how I understood your answer.

We have to use the 'Mark & quote' button to quote exactly what another member has actually written. As soon as we start 'quoting' what we thought they may have meant, or how we interpreted it, or in a way to further our own argument, then I'm afraid we are on the road to anarchy.


Frankly, I don't see your point. If I'm reading your answer, quoting exactly the sentence which you have wrote, and tell you how I (and some others) understood the answer, it's not a road to anarchy but a discussion.
Claiming to be on the road to anarchy just comfortably avoids to discuss the interpretation of your answer.

Apart I don't really get the difference between "Mark & Quote" and "Quote" anyway.




  
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I don't really agree with Dragon's email complaint, although as a paying subscriber his expectations are what they are, and he is entitled to them. But "road to anarchy" got my attention.

  • Mark & Quote does not do anything on my mobile, so I have gotten into the habit of using Quote and deleting the non-relevant parts.
  • I try to be respectful of the author's original intent when editing their words. No doubt I am not 100% successful. I don't insert words, and rarely change them, but sometimes I will correct single-letter typos. Sometimes not.
  • I'm on the desktop now and used Mark & Quote on GMTonyKosten's Reply #9, from "We" up to "subscribers." Below is the result. To my eye there isn't any difference from what Dragon posted.

GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/23/19 at 08:14:39:
We pass any emails from subscribers on to the appropriate writer, some of these answer directly and some don't. However, nowhere does it say that you will actually get an answer directly from them, the point is that they will consider the suggested lines in their updates providing they find it sufficiently interesting for other subscribers.

  
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Dragon wrote on 10/10/19 at 19:40:43:
I just summarised how I understood your answer.

We have to use the 'Mark & quote' button to quote exactly what another member has actually written. As soon as we start 'quoting' what we thought they may have meant, or how we interpreted it, or in a way to further our own argument, then I'm afraid we are on the road to anarchy.
  
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/02/19 at 14:34:42:
Indeed, where did you read this?


I just summarised how I understood your answer. And I can tell you, that not only I took it in exactly this way.

GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/23/19 at 08:14:39:
We pass any emails from subscribers on to the appropriate writer, some of these answer directly and some don't. However, nowhere does it say that you will actually get an answer directly from them, the point is that they will consider the suggested lines in their updates providing they find it sufficiently interesting for other subscribers.


So, and how wonderful would be a september dragon update?
Will it come at all, while other sections are already giving october updates?
  
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/03/19 at 12:15:36:
It is inconceivable that a titled chessplayer does any analysis without a strong engine nowadays, or even these last twenty or more years for that matter. However, it is obviously up to him to decide which lines he considers important.


That's true and another point. The engine is only a tool as the subscription is most probably done by a human.  Wink  Grin
  

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GMTonyKosten wrote on 10/03/19 at 12:15:36:
Personally I find the opposite to be the bigger problem: over-reliance on the computer. I often look at annotated games (here and elsewhere) and wonder about an obvious move which isn't even mentioned. The problem is that an engine will reject it immediately if there is a refutation and so the annotator doesn't even notice it if he is just following the computer's suggestions.
                   


I agree. Good analysis should point out why some reasonable tries don't really work, and also elaborate more on the ideas behind certain moves, like hidden threats or intended maneuvers.

Another issue I have with a lot of the published analysis that I see (not necessarily here) is that most of the early moves in the opening phase are often given without any background information as to how the whole variation evolved.

I think I learned more about opening variations such as the Dragon from old analysis by Tartakower, who actually bothered to explain why some moves were playable, while others not so much.

Over time the tendency has become to short-shrift the opening and take all the moves to a certain point for granted.
  

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Jupp53 wrote on 10/01/19 at 23:36:27:
It's a blundercheck AND the author sees when to explain his choice against the engine in those days when you get a great free engine with stockfish even on old hardware. This is simply state of the art today and refusing this is rejecting to deliver the complete work.

It is inconceivable that a titled chessplayer does any analysis without a strong engine nowadays, or even these last twenty or more years for that matter. However, it is obviously up to him to decide which lines he considers important.
Personally I find the opposite to be the bigger problem: over-reliance on the computer. I often look at annotated games (here and elsewhere) and wonder about an obvious move which isn't even mentioned. The problem is that an engine will reject it immediately if there is a refutation and so the annotator doesn't even notice it if he is just following the computer's suggestions.
  
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Dragon wrote on 10/02/19 at 12:33:34:
Stating more or less "Well you can ask questions but nowhere is said that you'll get a response" is an astonishing statement.

Indeed, where did you read this?
  
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Dragon wrote on 09/19/19 at 17:02:59:
In the only game with the critical line (Ulloa-Abarca Gonzalez) my engine clearly prefers 17. g5 but considers 17. Bd3 already as a mistake (not marked in the analyses). Still, 17. g5 is not even mentioned in the analyses.

I just noticed that 17 g5 is the mainline given in Chris Ward's Yugoslav PDF eBook, and the ChessPub Guide, and that he had analysed this previously. I suppose he should have referenced this in his annotations, I always do myself, but some of the writers don't always bother.
  
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 09/30/19 at 15:19:34:
Still, Bf1-h3-g4 is slightly unusual in Dragon positions and it's excusable if a Dragon expert overlooked it.


Actually I disagree.
The maneuver g4-g5, Bf1-h3 is quite common in some dragon lines because the bishop guards the c8 square and limits the counterplay on the c-file.

But however, whether the maneuver is common or not is not the point of discussion.

an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 09/30/19 at 15:19:34:
I guess you feel that the author simply must use an engine at all times.


No I don't. I just expect them to check their analyses at the end with the engine. So I just expect to blundercheck their analysis and agree with Jupp53 that this is simply state of the art. That's also a reason for disagreeing that overlooking the g5-Bh3 maneuver in an analysis made in 2019 shouldn't happen.

All in all I have to say that my impression is, that customers are not taken seriously at all. Stating more or less "Well you can ask questions but nowhere is said that you'll get a response" is an astonishing statement.

  
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 10/01/19 at 16:14:08:
Admit it -- even if they have done all that work "for you", you are also going to do it again "for yourself", just to make sure.

Right now I am busy analyzing standard games I have played mid August. I have become recently more active again but I notice I can't find the time to digest all the new information. So I will definitely not have time to redo the analysis of somebody else. Still to keep track of the latest trends I am happy that I can just scan through the work of others.

There is so much interesting information published every day that you need to make choices about what to do and what not especially if you are not a professional chessplayer and you have many other responsibilities.
  
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You don't have to let the engine do the thinking for you. Analyze on your own, and only use the engine afterwards, to poke holes in your analysis, suggest new ideas, and then try to gain a better understanding of the position from any significant divergences between you and your engine(s).

Also, close attention needs to be paid to promising suboptimal moves that the engine doesn't quite like the most, especially if those jive with your own ideas.
  

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Jupp53 wrote on 10/01/19 at 23:36:27:
There is a value in chess content. It's a blundercheck AND the author sees when to explain his choice against the engine in those days when you get a great free engine with stockfish even on old hardware. This is simply state of the art today and refusing this is rejecting to deliver the complete work.

I find myself convinced by your reasons.
  
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But to my way of thinking if you can easily do that yourself, where is the value added?


There is a value in chess content. It's a blundercheck AND the author sees when to explain his choice against the engine in those days when you get a great free engine with stockfish even on old hardware. This is simply state of the art today and refusing this is rejecting to deliver the complete work.
  

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brabo wrote on 10/01/19 at 11:16:35:
I saw some time ago also masters commenting on endgames while not consulting the tablebases so making one error after the other. For me this is pure garbage.

For some real garbage analysis, look at what I posted last night in the Benoni thread, when I should have been asleep already.

brabo wrote on 10/01/19 at 11:16:35:
Now I also don't agree that there is no added value in an analysis which is mainly based on output from an engine.
First the user needs to spend quite some time to initialize the engine properly for it. Then there is the extra cost of the hardware, electricity, databases,... and the manual work of summarizing the output. If somebody else has done that so I don't need to do it anymore then this has for me an added value.

Admit it -- even if they have done all that work "for you", you are also going to do it again "for yourself", just to make sure.
  
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an ordinary chessplayer wrote on 09/30/19 at 15:19:34:
I can see your point, but at the same time I have some sympathy for the update author. I guess you feel that the author simply must use an engine at all times. But to my way of thinking if you can easily do that yourself, where is the value added? I don't play through games with the engine on, nor did I typically do that back in the day when I wrote articles for the chess magazine. I would use the engine just to check some positions where I had doubts. If someone insisted that I had to use an engine everywhere, even today I would say that what I write is my own thinking, check it yourself. We all should be doing that anyway.

I saw some time ago also masters commenting on endgames while not consulting the tablebases so making one error after the other. For me this is pure garbage.

If you want to think for yourself then play chess. Analysis is for me about finding out the truth or at least approach it as close as possible.

Now I also don't agree that there is no added value in an analysis which is mainly based on output from an engine.
First the user needs to spend quite some time to initialize the engine properly for it. Then there is the extra cost of the hardware, electricity, databases,... and the manual work of summarizing the output. If somebody else has done that so I don't need to do it anymore then this has for me an added value.
  
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I can see your point, but at the same time I have some sympathy for the update author. I guess you feel that the author simply must use an engine at all times. But to my way of thinking if you can easily do that yourself, where is the value added? I don't play through games with the engine on, nor did I typically do that back in the day when I wrote articles for the chess magazine. I would use the engine just to check some positions where I had doubts. If someone insisted that I had to use an engine everywhere, even today I would say that what I write is my own thinking, check it yourself. We all should be doing that anyway.

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Ulloa, Gabriel (2040) - Abarca Gonzalez, Nicolas (2409)
Quinto Magistral 52o. Aniversario Villa Tehuelches (90 min + 30 sec), 2019.07.11

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 6.Be3 Bg7 7.f3 O-O 8.Qd2 Nc6 9.O-O-O Nxd4 10.Bxd4 Be6 11.Kb1 Qc7 12.h4 Rfc8 13.h5 Qa5 14.hxg6 fxg6 15.a3 Rab8 16.g4 Bf7 17.Bd3 b5 18.Qg5 e5 19.Nd5 Nxd5 20.exd5 exd4 21.Qf4 b4 22.Rxh7 Qxd5 23.Rdh1 bxa3 24.Qh2 Qa2+ 25.Kc1 axb2+ 26.Kd2 Qa5+ 0-1

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Well, Stockfish 9.0 (contempt=0) at depth 40 thinks 17.Bd3 is -0.25 and 17.g5 is +1.35. What is your contempt setting? But your point that 17.Bd3 is a mistake is well taken. Still, Bf1-h3-g4 is slightly unusual in Dragon positions and it's excusable if a Dragon expert overlooked it.

Stockfish's pv is 17.g5 Nh5 18.Bxg7 Kxg7 19.Bh3 Rc4 20.Bg4 b5 21.Rh2 Rb7 22.Bxh5 gxh5 23.Rdh1 b4 24.Nd5 Qa6 25.Nxb4 Qa4 26.Rxh5 Bxh5 27.Rxh5 Rcxb4 28.axb4 Qxb4 29.Qxb4 Rxb4 30.c3 Kg6 31.Rh2 Rc4 32.Kc2 e5 33.Rh6+ Kxg5 34.Rxh7 Ra4 35.Kd3 Ra1 36.Rf7 a5 37.Kc4 a4 38.Kd5 a3 39.bxa3 Rxa3 40.Kxd6 Rxc3 41.Kxe5, which looks a little rough for black. I'm not sure I agree with all of the engine's black moves, the machine should be more ready to sac the exchange at some point. In particular 21...Rb7 looks slow, I checked 21...b4 22.Nd5 Qa4 (the engine wanted 22...e5) which the engine doesn't believe (depth 40 +3.25 after 23.Nxe7 bxa3 24.b3).
  
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 09/23/19 at 08:14:39:
However, nowhere does it say that you will actually get an answer directly from them, the point is that they will consider the suggested lines in their updates providing they find it sufficiently interesting for other subscribers.


Well, nowhere it says that emails will be ignored for some months without any kind of feedback, not even a "Thank you for a question" or whatever.
Regarding the fact that I actually have to be a subscriber to ask questions at all, I find this to be quite poor.

fluffy wrote on 09/24/19 at 14:25:16:
12.0-0 is clearly the main move in practice and it is the top choice of my engine - it waffles between this and queen moves that protect the pawn, followed by 0-0 so it does not rally matter -so I don't see what the problem is.

This site is not a Grandmaster Repertoire book. We analyse current trends and try to explain them. I am not trying to prove an edge for White or equality for Black.


I don't agree that it does not really matter. Depending on the black answer, white has after queen moves the option of castling long, while castling short immediately restricts white a bit.

This may be a dumb question, but when several people recognise in different sections, that in the analysis of current trends more and more often the first (and seemingly critical) choice of an engine is not even mentioned, then it is not really 'analysing', is it?
In my opinion an objectively sound analysis should at least consider the first choice to be an option. And that has nothing to do with being a grandmaster repertoire or not, this has something to do with the soundedness of the analysis.

In the example I found in the dragon section, my engine gives (if I remember correctly) after the not mentioned 17. g5 almost +2, while it gives just some +=/= after 17. Bd3.
I don't think this has to do anything with being a Grandmaster Repertoire or not, or trying to prove an advantage for White/equality for black or not.

  
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Here is what is says under the Open Sicilian section:
"Please feel free to share any of your thoughts at the Open Sicilians Forum, or subscribers can write directly to support@chesspublishing.com"
I guess it is better to email directly to you, and I guess some have done it. But my answer was an answer to the earlier comment about what I have cited above


We get a lot of subscriber emails which we pass on to the writers and they always cover any interesting lines. However, simply suggesting that any reader can come to the Forum to discuss any variations that interest him (as on the quoted Open Sicilians page) certainly doesn't imply that a GM would answer him.
  
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trw wrote on 09/24/19 at 15:48:07:
I thought that was the point of this site... When did it change? Should I cancel my subscription then?


The whole point of the site is to analyse the latest ideas, as it always has been.

Straggler wrote on 09/24/19 at 09:27:59:
I think the text in the PDF ebooks (not just the variations) needs to be kept up to date. For example, the Caro-Kann ebook still says that the line 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nf6 5.Nxf6+ exf6 "is completely out of fashion now", which hasn't been true for at least a year. It's also annoying when the text says something like "I think..." and it's not clear whose opinion this is. Would it be possible for the writer responsible for each section to keep the ebooks under review?

Yes, I agree, if I see these I change them but there are so many chapters and some of them are so long that sometimes there is still some out-of-date text. I remember going through the Anti-Sicilians many years ago after Markovich complained about Gary Lane's text.
If you see any just let me know.
  
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I will only be satisfied if they prove an edge for White and equality for Black.



Me too damn it.
  
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fling wrote on 09/19/19 at 17:11:51:
I agree that asking for specific lines hasn't been very successful looking at the posts that have done it, which is partly why I decided to spend less time here.

I think we are talking about two separate things here, there is no guarantee that the writer will even see a post on the Forum, and he has absolutely no obligation to answer them all. If I (or one of the others) see something interesting then I will email them to have a look at it, but I don't look at every thread by any means.


Here is what is says under the Open Sicilian section:
"Please feel free to share any of your thoughts at the Open Sicilians Forum, or subscribers can write directly to support@chesspublishing.com"

I guess it is better to email directly to you, and I guess some have done it. But my answer was an answer to the earlier comment about what I have cited above

Anyhow, I have spent less time here because I haven't felt the discussions about various lines have been that many lately, and not especially fruitful, and part of it is lack of interactions from the authors and just a few that comment on selected variations.
  
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fluffy wrote on 09/24/19 at 14:25:16:
I am not trying to prove an edge for White or equality for Black.



I thought that was the point of this site... When did it change? Should I cancel my subscription then?
  
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I am not going to get into a debate here, but I would not have done much differently if I were to do it all over again. In the Be3+h3 line, after 6…c5, 7.Nf3 is the current annoyance  My “strong judgement” was not based on one game, but several (in addition to the Kotronias game, also see Svane-Kovalev and games in the notes). Black is clearly suffering here, and White has two dangerous plans.

In Firouzja-Karthikeyan Black made a wonderful queen sac in this line (this is back in June), but there are not developments there. One game was played over the last couple of months and White won (avoiding the Q sac), but Black did not follow my recommendation, so I did not find the game so relevant.

In the line with 7.d5, 10... Rxe3+ has proven to be very playable. Of course the engine gives an edge for White. We all have engines. Black is doing pretty well in practice and the position looks easier for him to play. 12.0-0 is clearly the main move in practice and it is the top choice of my engine - it waffles between this and queen moves that protect the pawn, followed by 0-0 so it does not rally matter -so I don't see what the problem is.

This site is not a Grandmaster Repertoire book. We analyse current trends and try to explain them. I am not trying to prove an edge for White or equality for Black.
  
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I think the text in the PDF ebooks (not just the variations) needs to be kept up to date. For example, the Caro-Kann ebook still says that the line 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nf6 5.Nxf6+ exf6 "is completely out of fashion now", which hasn't been true for at least a year. It's also annoying when the text says something like "I think..." and it's not clear whose opinion this is. Would it be possible for the writer responsible for each section to keep the ebooks under review?
  
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Dragon wrote on 09/19/19 at 17:02:59:
I am premium subscriber and recognised especially in the last time the following:
1.) For the first time I tried to ask questions via email because you say that Subscribers have the possibility to do so. I did that on the 29th of August, and did not get any reply. That's not really polite I have to say.

2.) Some updates don't seem to be objectively sound to me.
I have two recent examples:
(i) The August update in the dragon section futures the line after
9. 0-0-0 Nxd4 10. Bxd4 Be6.
This line is considered to be bad for black for an eternity, still it's futured in three games in the august update.
In the only game with the critical line (Ulloa-Abarca Gonzalez) my engine clearly prefers 17. g5 but considers 17. Bd3 already as a mistake (not marked in the analyses). Still, 17. g5 is not even mentioned in the analyses.

GM Ward says he didn't receive the email so I sent it again. He will deal with the 10...Be6 stuff in this month's update.
  
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fling wrote on 09/19/19 at 17:11:51:
I agree that asking for specific lines hasn't been very successful looking at the posts that have done it, which is partly why I decided to spend less time here.

I think we are talking about two separate things here, there is no guarantee that the writer will even see a post on the Forum, and he has absolutely no obligation to answer them all. If I (or one of the others) see something interesting then I will email them to have a look at it, but I don't look at every thread by any means.
  
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Dragon wrote on 09/19/19 at 17:02:59:
2.) Some updates don't seem to be objectively sound to me.
I have two recent examples:
(i) The August update in the dragon section futures the line after
9. 0-0-0 Nxd4 10. Bxd4 Be6.
This line is considered to be bad for black for an eternity, still it's futured in three games in the august update.
In the only game with the critical line (Ulloa-Abarca Gonzalez) my engine clearly prefers 17. g5 but considers 17. Bd3 already as a mistake (not marked in the analyses). Still, 17. g5 is not even mentioned in the analyses.

(ii) In the may update of the king's indian section is the game Gasanov - Kotronias.
On the homepage it is mentioned with the comment
Quote:
This line has become rather annoying, and the game Gasanov, E - Kotronias, V gives us more evidence that instead of 6...c5 Black may have to soon revert back to 6...e5 7.d5 Na6.
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which gives a quite strong judgement of a line based on a game, where blacks bad position was seemingly more caused by manoeuvring mistakes then by the soundedness of the line itself.

In the same game, there is the statement that 10... Rxe3+ would be quite playable. I think this statement is based on two games from this year, where in both analyses the more critical choice for white (the first choice of the engine instead of 0-0) is again not even mentioned.

I will email the two writers about this and see what they think. Smiley
  
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Dragon wrote on 09/19/19 at 17:02:59:
1.) For the first time I tried to ask questions via email because you say that Subscribers have the possibility to do so. I did that on the 29th of August, and did not get any reply. That's not really polite I have to say.

We pass any emails from subscribers on to the appropriate writer, some of these answer directly and some don't. However, nowhere does it say that you will actually get an answer directly from them, the point is that they will consider the suggested lines in their updates providing they find it sufficiently interesting for other subscribers.
We could send out some sort of acknowledgement just to conform that we've received an email if subscribers think that would be useful.
  
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Dragon wrote on 09/19/19 at 20:59:52:
I mean I paid for this, it's not something where one can subscribe for free.


May I add that those days not everybody standing at the check-out is English.
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fling wrote on 09/19/19 at 17:11:51:
I agree that asking for specific lines hasn't been very successful looking at the posts that have done it, which is partly why I decided to spend less time here.

I haven't looked at the analysis of those games, but I have noted in other updates the same trend. There are several games in which critical variations, quickly found by e.g. SF10, go unnoticed.


Well if there is no answer on a forum post I can understand that GMs and IMs may take some time to response, but not answering questions (not even with 'Thanks for the question, I will think about it') although it's explicitely on the subscribing page

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Signing up gives you access to pgn games, cbv files and pdf ebooks in a given section (sections are: 1 e4 e5, French, Dragon, etc). Signing up also lets you email opening questions to the section's opening expert.


is just not justified. I mean I paid for this, it's not something where one can subscribe for free.
  
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Dragon wrote on 09/19/19 at 17:02:59:
I think what I want to mention matches perfectly to this thread, so I won't open a new one.

Not only the site needs badly a clean up, also the content needs badly a clean up.

I am premium subscriber and recognised especially in the last time the following:
1.) For the first time I tried to ask questions via email because you say that Subscribers have the possibility to do so. I did that on the 29th of August, and did not get any reply. That's not really polite I have to say.

2.) Some updates don't seem to be objectively sound to me.
I have two recent examples:
(i) The August update in the dragon section futures the line after
9. 0-0-0 Nxd4 10. Bxd4 Be6.
This line is considered to be bad for black for an eternity, still it's futured in three games in the august update.
In the only game with the critical line (Ulloa-Abarca Gonzalez) my engine clearly prefers 17. g5 but considers 17. Bd3 already as a mistake (not marked in the analyses). Still, 17. g5 is not even mentioned in the analyses.

(ii) In the may update of the king's indian section is the game Gasanov - Kotronias.
On the homepage it is mentioned with the comment
Quote:
This line has become rather annoying, and the game Gasanov, E - Kotronias, V gives us more evidence that instead of 6...c5 Black may have to soon revert back to 6...e5 7.d5 Na6.
,

which gives a quite strong judgement of a line based on a game, where blacks bad position was seemingly more caused by manoeuvring mistakes then by the soundedness of the line itself.

In the same game, there is the statement that 10... Rxe3+ would be quite playable. I think this statement is based on two games from this year, where in both analyses the more critical choice for white (the first choice of the engine instead of 0-0) is again not even mentioned. 



I agree that asking for specific lines hasn't been very successful looking at the posts that have done it, which is partly why I decided to spend less time here.

I haven't looked at the analysis of those games, but I have noted in other updates the same trend. There are several games in which critical variations, quickly found by e.g. SF10, go unnoticed.
  
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I think what I want to mention matches perfectly to this thread, so I won't open a new one.

Not only the site needs badly a clean up, also the content needs badly a clean up.

I am premium subscriber and recognised especially in the last time the following:
1.) For the first time I tried to ask questions via email because you say that Subscribers have the possibility to do so. I did that on the 29th of August, and did not get any reply. That's not really polite I have to say.

2.) Some updates don't seem to be objectively sound to me.
I have two recent examples:
(i) The August update in the dragon section futures the line after
9. 0-0-0 Nxd4 10. Bxd4 Be6.
This line is considered to be bad for black for an eternity, still it's futured in three games in the august update.
In the only game with the critical line (Ulloa-Abarca Gonzalez) my engine clearly prefers 17. g5 but considers 17. Bd3 already as a mistake (not marked in the analyses). Still, 17. g5 is not even mentioned in the analyses.

(ii) In the may update of the king's indian section is the game Gasanov - Kotronias.
On the homepage it is mentioned with the comment
Quote:
This line has become rather annoying, and the game Gasanov, E - Kotronias, V gives us more evidence that instead of 6...c5 Black may have to soon revert back to 6...e5 7.d5 Na6.
,

which gives a quite strong judgement of a line based on a game, where blacks bad position was seemingly more caused by manoeuvring mistakes then by the soundedness of the line itself.

In the same game, there is the statement that 10... Rxe3+ would be quite playable. I think this statement is based on two games from this year, where in both analyses the more critical choice for white (the first choice of the engine instead of 0-0) is again not even mentioned. 

  
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Glenn Snow wrote on 10/12/17 at 03:21:35:
Another item, less serious, is that some of the section moderators haven't been online in months or even years. 


Apologies. This includes me. Although i have been dropping by to check on things, I've had various issues pop up over the last 6 months or so which has distracted me. Hopefully from next week i will be back on the ball.
  

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Glenn Snow wrote on 10/12/17 at 03:21:35:
Another item, less serious, is that some of the section moderators haven't been online in months or even years.

Hi.

Then maybe we need to get some anarchy going... Wink 

To see if any of the mods answer the call of course... Cool

...and certainly not because there would be no mods to rein us in. Roll Eyes

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FrenchRefutes1e4 wrote on 09/25/17 at 15:51:59:
Well, some of them have the person's name at Chesspublishing.com, like for the King's Indian, it shows "david@Chesspublishing.com".  Well, if you try to send an email there, it bounces.

Next, some of the sections use a more generic address, Support@Chesspublishing.com.  Guess what?  It bounces too!


That's strange, we're still receiving emails for these addresses, so I've no idea why your emails bounced. Can you PM one of the bounced messages to me, please?
  
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Each of the sections mentions at the bottom that if you have questions, submit to the forum, or Subscribers can email directly to (fill in the address).

Well, some of them have the person's name at Chesspublishing.com, like for the King's Indian, it shows "david@Chesspublishing.com".  Well, if you try to send an email there, it bounces.

Next, some of the sections use a more generic address, Support@Chesspublishing.com.  Guess what?  It bounces too!

So I went with the last resort and posted to the King's Indian Forum, but if these email addresses don't work, why are they still listed on the site?
  
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