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Reply #14 - 07/02/25 at 15:55:48
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I catch a lot of young fish with 1.Nf3 d5 2.d4! intending 3.c4

Interesting suggestion. And on 2 ..e6 I suppose one could even aim for a Colle(-Z), if so minded. (I don't myself much like facing the QGA after 2 ...Nf6 3 c4 dc, but of course that's purely personal taste.)
  
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Re: Recent resources for a g3-based repertoire
Reply #13 - 06/30/25 at 20:21:16
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Michael Ayton wrote on 06/29/25 at 07:09:12:
you could always end up wrong-footing yourself

I think Michael Ayton already anticipated MNb's point.

MNb wrote on 06/30/25 at 16:35:17:
... (after 1.g3 e5) objectively best is 2.c4, which raises the question why not 1.c4 at once.

Us old-timers remember when after 1.c4 Botvinnik gave 1...e5 a question mark. Times have changed, the engine gives 1...e5 as the top move, and it's therefore very popular. Still, maybe your opponent is an old-timer and it's not in their black repertoire, when after 1.g3 e5 2.c4 they have been move ordered. I realize MNb you are talking about a black player who has thought deeply about the move orders. Even so 1.g3 can lead to a little dancing around in the opening instead of the rapid fire moves that result from white beginning with one of the top four moves.

I have played 1.g3 on occasion, with unremarkable results, and gave some thought to who might benefit from it. In order of most benefit to least benefit:
  1. 1...g6 players, who like the idea of getting a position they know with an extra tempo. On the minus side, they give up some of their white advantage. But does that really exist these days? On the plus side, for zero effort in preparation they get a position they understand very well. Any sharp try they are a tempo up, any quiet try and they can hope to outplay the opponent on positional understanding. I'm thinking here of David Norwood, Charley Storey, and perhaps even Nigel Davies.
  2. Play everything players, particularly if they have 1.d4 "Catalan style" with g2-g3 somewhere in their repertoire. This type could be very dangerous. If black makes a few routine moves then they could find themselves in a book opening where white has an edge and knows exactly what to do. Larsen was the epitome of this type of player. But the play everything player, by definition, isn't going to use 1.g3 all that much.
  3. Specially prepared players, who may have noticed an inconsistency in their opponent's repertoire. I guess it's the younger black players who may get burned here. The old-timers have already fallen into the trap before and know enough to go around it.

As for myself, I was in category 2, but against the King's Indian I never liked the g2-g3 variations for white. Back in the day, the King's Indian was the default reply to any flank opening, so 1.g3 didn't bring me much joy. Again, times have changed. Engines really like pawns in the center, so that's what (almost) everybody does. I catch a lot of young fish with 1.Nf3 d5 2.d4! intending 3.c4, when they have been move ordered out of their 1.d4 Nimzo-Indian. I even caught a Benko player like this! I blame youtube.
  
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Re: Recent resources for a g3-based repertoire
Reply #12 - 06/30/25 at 17:01:24
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After 6 ...dc I think I'd just play 7 dc myself. Of course I make no claim for any advantage, but one J. Hodgson has managed to annoy the odd Black from here, I believe. There's 6 Nbd2 as well (iso 6 c4), when I'm sure it's just a matter of taste who might be annoying who more!
  
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Re: Recent resources for a g3-based repertoire
Reply #11 - 06/30/25 at 16:35:17
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Michael Ayton wrote on 06/29/25 at 07:09:12:
... with a bit of forethought I'm sure an interesting (and for Black annoying!) repertoire can be constructed ...

With the same forethought Black can annoy White: 1.g3 e5 2.Bg2 d5 3.d3 Nc6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.c4 dxc4 7.Qa4 O-O. This is for Black a good version of 6...O-O 7.cxd5 Nxd5. So objectively best is 2.c4, which raises the question why not 1.c4 at once.
  

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Thanks AOC, you were more assiduous than I was. Interesting review from Sean Marsh -- I don't recall seeing that particular Larsen try before ...

Of course, play 1.g3 without proper preparation and you could always end up wrong-footing yourself into something you don't know, but with a bit of forethought I'm sure an interesting (and for Black annoying!) repertoire can be constructed ...
  
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Re: Recent resources for a g3-based repertoire
Reply #9 - 06/29/25 at 05:45:10
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I found two more mentions of Bamboozle here on chesspub.

Repertoire based in 1.g3!
https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1354633999/5#5

Bird's DVD by Andrew Martin
https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1288506788/1#1

And the second one led me to find a review by Sean Marsh.
https://marshtowers.blogspot.com/2010/11/chess-reviews-162.html
  
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Re: Recent resources for a g3-based repertoire
Reply #8 - 06/29/25 at 05:34:50
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Michael Ayton wrote on 06/26/25 at 18:12:06:
Does anyone know what lines both or either of the two (?) Davies 'Bamboozle' items (ChessBase DVD, Fritz Trainer) recommended, or have a List of Contents?

It's one product. "ChessBase DVD" and "Fritz Trainer" are synonymous. All I can find online is the description from the chessbase shop (see below). Such a wide ranging "repertoire" covered in 4 hours! It must be more ideas than lines. Maybe TD knows the answer. He has posted about Bamboozle in three threads counting this one.

1. Nf3 2. g3 3. Bg2 Repertoire book, reply #6
https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1391695887/6#6

Opening repertoire books with 1.g3 as White, reply #3
https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1551811703/3#3

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... The idea behind this opening is to leave White with the greatest possible flexibility for his pieces and pawns and indeed the game can transpose into openings as diverse as the Closed Sicilian, the King’s Indian Defence and the Catalan Opening. Yet White can also choose to tread new ground by adopting formations such as a reversed Leningrad Dutch, reversed Alekhine’s Defence or even a reversed Pirc or Modern Defence. ...  also showing how White can transpose into more regular openings if he show (sic) chooses. ... Video runnig time: 4 hours
https://shop.chessbase.com/en/products/bamboozle_your_opponents_with1g3

Currently on clearance $15 at House of Staunton (or one of its many resellers), but shipping is not free for clearance items.
https://www.houseofstaunton.com/clearance-bamboozle-your-opponents-with-1-g3-nig...
  
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Does anyone know what lines both or either of the two (?) Davies 'Bamboozle' items (ChessBase DVD, Fritz Trainer) recommended, or have a List of Contents?
  
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Re: Recent resources for a g3-based repertoire
Reply #6 - 12/15/17 at 00:22:48
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I read the thread on the Bologan DVD, and I got confused about something about the Symmetrical lines. I would just transpose to the Symmetrical English here. My idea was just to deal with 1. Cf3 d5 2. c4 d4 as the only unique line but going back to English lines for other replies.

I pre-ordered the book by Demuth, and am thinking about a DVD or two now. I have some of Breutigam's other DVDs. I thought that they were okay, so maybe might see about the Réti one.
  
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Reply #5 - 12/13/17 at 07:33:00
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The Bologan DVD was discussed here:
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1498229526/all

and the Ramirez DVD here:
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1374870644/all

Of the DVDs, I only have Ramirez. It's a decent way to quickly start playing the Reti, but a bit lacking in depth. And his line with c4 and b4 against KID and Grünfeld setups may not be worth playing.

I wonder if the ones by Breutigam (which I hadn't heard of before) and Bologan are worth getting.

There's also an iChess DVD by Lemos on double fianchetto systems for White, but I don't know anything about it.
  

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Re: Recent resources for a g3-based repertoire
Reply #4 - 12/13/17 at 06:39:13
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As fart as I know, the main difference with playing the g3 system between 1. c4 and 1. Cf3 is that which one feels more comfortable with: 1. c4 e5 or 1. Cf3 d5 2. c4 d4. I prefer White in both, so in this case it does not matter to me.

Stigma wrote on 12/10/17 at 07:50:49:
There's a Réti repertoire for White by Demuth soon (reportedly) to be published:


Says 22.12.2017 now. So probably not going to be able to get it until early next year. But I did see one of Demuth's articles in NIC Yearbook 123 about 1. Cf3 d5 2. c4 d4. Between 1. c4 e5 and that line, the latter is less analysed, so maybe good for avoiding heavy theory.

TD wrote on 12/10/17 at 09:33:49:
eti - a repertoire for White - Bologan (ChessBase 2017, DVD)


Has anyone tried this DVD and how are the lines?

TD wrote on 12/10/17 at 09:33:49:
Reti-Eroffnung, richtig gespielt - Konikowski & Bekemann (Beyer 2015)


I have never heard of this book before, is this more of an overview book?

TD wrote on 12/10/17 at 09:33:49:
Reti-Eroffnung, ein modernes Repertoire - Breutigam (ChessBase 2015, DVD)


Would it be recommended getting this and Bologan's, or just one of them?

TN wrote on 12/10/17 at 09:09:17:
I noticed after Marin wrote his Grandmaster Repertoire series, he started using the 1.Nf3/2.g3 move order regularly. So you may well look at his games while searching for that dream source.  Wink


So in this case, avoiding the complications from 1. Cf3 d5 2. c4? That sounds interesting, especially if it saves time if Black players prefer to transpose to light square systems that would in other ways be by 1. c4 c6 or 1. c4 e6.
  
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Re: Recent resources for a g3-based repertoire
Reply #3 - 12/10/17 at 09:33:49
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Reti - a repertoire for White - Bologan (ChessBase 2017, DVD)
Reti-Eroffnung, richtig gespielt - Konikowski & Bekemann (Beyer 2015)
Reti-Eroffnung, ein modernes Repertoire - Breutigam (ChessBase 2015, DVD)
The Reti, a flexible attacking opening - Ramirez (ChessBase 2013, DVD)
The King's Indian Attack: Move by Move - McDonald (Everyman 2014)
The White Sniper - Storey (Foxy Openings 2011, DVD)
Bamboozle your opponents with 1.g3! - Davies (ChessBase 2010, DVD)
  
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Re: Recent resources for a g3-based repertoire
Reply #2 - 12/10/17 at 09:09:17
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I noticed after Marin wrote his Grandmaster Repertoire series, he started using the 1.Nf3/2.g3 move order regularly. So you may well look at his games while searching for that dream source.  Wink
  

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Re: Recent resources for a g3-based repertoire
Reply #1 - 12/10/17 at 07:50:49
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There's a Réti repertoire for White by Demuth soon (reportedly) to be published:

https://www.schachversand.de/e/detail/buecher/15298.html
http://www.thinkerspublishing.com/forthcoming-publications.html

The Fianchetto Solution by Neiman and Shoker is less than two years old and (for the White half of the book) uses 1.Nf3 with 2.g3 usually to follow. We discussed it here: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1473943311/all

There are also older books on the Réti by Delchev (2012) http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1325513514/all and Davies (2004) that I sometimes refer to. 

And then there's the 3-volume Wojo's Weapons series, and the Donaldson/Carsten Hansen repertoire book, and no doubt several DVDs and Starting Out and Move by Move-type books that I'm forgetting. For one thing, books on the King's Indian Attack can be revelant to a 1.Nf3 or 1.g3 move order.

All of these have their own choices of lines. They're all less detailed than Marin, with Wojo's Weapons, Delchev and likely Demuth coming closest.
  

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Recent resources for a g3-based repertoire
12/10/17 at 07:25:49
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I wanted to know of any recent books, DVDs, e-books, etc. for a g3-based repertoire, like when White starts with 1. c4 or 1. Cf3, in the past couple years, preferably no earlier than 2014. As far I know, the last major work on this was the three volume work by Marin on 1. c4.

I was looking only for g3 system resources, not where White plays 1. c4 or 1. Cf3 and then transposes to other systems with e3 or such. Any help would be appreciated.
  
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