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Re: Latvian gambit 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. exf5
Reply #6 - 01/08/18 at 13:45:59
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After 4.Ng1 Qg5 the point of White´s play is revealed: 5.d3 Qxf5 6.dxe4 Qxe4+ 7.Be2! (hoping for 7...Qxg2?? 8.Bf3 Qg6 9.Bh5+-) followed by Nf3, 0-0, Re1, Nc3 and so on leads to sizeable development advantage for White.
  
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Re: Latvian gambit 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. exf5
Reply #5 - 01/08/18 at 07:34:07
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Myers Openings Bulletin, I wonder which volume that is for 3. exf5 e4 4. Ng1

A possible sideline for 4. Ng1 could be Qg5, similar in style to 4. Ne5 Qg5

The reversed Rosentreter gambit line looks like something to experiment with.

After the position SWJediknight posted starting with 8. f3 Bb4+ 9. c3 it would seem 9... exf3 is more prudent, continuing 10. Nxf3 Bd6 (10. cxb4 would definitely be bad for White after 10... f2+ 11. Kd2 fxg1=Q).

Also worth considering may be 10. Nxf3 O-O
  
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Re: Latvian gambit 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. exf5
Reply #4 - 01/07/18 at 02:58:33
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I have used 4.Ng1, I got it from Stefan Buecker. I believe he analyzed it in Myers Openings Bulletin.
  
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Re: Latvian gambit 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. exf5
Reply #3 - 01/07/18 at 00:42:05
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4.Nd4 Qf6 5.c3 Nc6 looks alright to me, as 6.Nxc6 (the computer suggests 6.d3, which appears to be untested) dxc6 7.Qh5+ g6 8.fxg6 hxg6 (Downey-Bartsch, email 2002) looks OK for Black.

4.Ng1!? is surprisingly strong.  The Mason Gambit-style 4...Nc6 5.Qh5+ Ke7 doesn't work after 6.d3, and the Bishop's Gambit-style 4...Bc5 doesn't work after 5.d4. 

So Black's best is 4...Nf6 as per the King's Knight Gambit, and then 5.g4 follows (5.d3 as per the Fischer Defence has also scored quite well for White). 

Now the Quaade approach doesn't work because if 5...Nc6 6.g5 and Black cannot play 6...Ne4.  5...Bc5 6.g5 0-0 7.d4 exd3 8.gxf6 Qxf6 9.Bxd3 looks like an inferior relative of the Muzio/Polerio gambit.

So I think Black's best is probably, perhaps surprisingly, to go into a reversed Allgaier Gambit with 5...h5 6.g5 Ng4. 
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White's best may well be 7.d4 intending 7...d5 8.f3!?, for after 7.h3 Nxf2 8.Kxf2, after 8...Qxg5 White can't play 9.Nf3 and so Black has time to play ...d5 aiming for ...Bxf5, and after 7.d4 d5 8.h3 Nxf2 9.Kxf2 Bxf5 Black probably isn't far short of full compensation for the sacrificed knight.  After 8.f3, which is currently untested, White should be at least a bit better, though play can still get very wild, e.g. 8...Bb4+ 9.c3 Bd6 10.Qe2+ Kd7, when White must avoid the tempting 11.Qe6+? Kc6.

Also, a reversed Rosentreter Gambit (5...d5 6.g5 Bxf5 7.gxf6 Qxf6) may be playable.  The only games I can find in my database with 5...d5 instead saw Black meet 6.g5 with 6...Ng8?!, which is hardly in the spirit of the gambit.

After 4.Ne5, although I'm not so well versed in the theory, it seems from a quick look that the line 4...Nf6 5.Be2 Be7 6.Bh5+ Kf8 may be Black's best chance, though I think White must be better in the lines following 7.Nc3, although it requires careful handling in deciding the right moment to hop the knight into f7.
  
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Re: Latvian gambit 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. exf5
Reply #2 - 01/06/18 at 17:30:14
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1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. exf5 e4

4. Ne5 is White's main option with Nf6 or possibly Qg5 from Black. Perhaps some people aren't comfortable with Ne5 because they think the Knight will just get kicked back anyway.

4. Ng1 looks very playable and might serve as a psychological weapon too. Black might be inclined to think White is a novice and become overconfident. I will try this as White next time it comes up. Unfortunately I rarely see the Latvian gambit from the White side.
  
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Re: Latvian gambit 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. exf5
Reply #1 - 01/06/18 at 09:07:36
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5...Nc6 looks sensible to me, developing a piece while attacking the knight on d4.

But isn´t 4.Ne5 the more critical option here? Another funny move is 4.Ng1!? which is a reversed King´s Gambit with the exra move e4-e5 (here e5-e4 of course). It´s not clear to me if that is an advantage here.
  
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Latvian gambit 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. exf5
01/06/18 at 02:58:30
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This interesting line in the Latvian gambit was reached by myself just recently. I could not find this line in the Chess Pub forums.

After 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. exf5 e4 4. Nd4 Qf6 5. c3 I decided on Nc6

What do people think is the best response on move 5 for Black, such as:
5... Nc6
5... d5
5... c5
5... Qe5
5... Bc5
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