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Re: What to play against the benoni?
Reply #21 - 09/01/18 at 00:52:07
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Re: What to play against the benoni?
Reply #20 - 08/31/18 at 04:57:09
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Stigma wrote on 08/30/18 at 08:37:43:
OK, I was trying to be subtle, but that didn't work.

What I really meant to say, MNb, was that Gambit should be able to freely discuss chess openings in whatever style he wants on a chess forum without someone drawing ironic connections to the 3rd Reich.

For all you know he or his family could have personal experience with antisemitism or persecution. And in fact a google search confirms at least the former. So it's tasteless to try to pin him down to aspects of Diemer's writing style that can be associated with nazism. There are plenty of enthusiastic attackers who are happy to use similarly dramatic or biased language, but strictly about the chess fight. Most people manage this distinction just fine even though Diemer didn't.



Thank you for your kind words, Stigma. Indeed, my family fled the horrors of Communist USSR in 1975 to live in a free country. While in first grade in Russia, I had an older boy bully me because I was Jewish. In this country, no one cared what background I was from. While in third grade in USA,  I did not have to put up with bullying.

Now, to the present. I already posted two links to my articles on the Zilbermints Benoni, 1 d4 c5 2 b4!  or 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!, yet posters here don't take the trouble to read what I wrote. If you want to start talking variations, read the articles.

For your information, I published an updated version of my articles in Virginia Chess Newsletter in 2000. There were some new games played with 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!.

You can talk all you want about computers, but the truth is simple: you cannot use computers in over-the-board chess. So, when you play in OTB tournaments, you have very good chances with the openings I play.

I have beaten strong players with my openings, both in OTB and blitz chess. Will keep you posted on how well 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4! does.

Oh yeah, the exclamation mark is to denote surprise value, as much as a strong move.
  
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Re: What to play against the benoni?
Reply #19 - 08/30/18 at 15:48:17
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The OP and occasional readers should know that 1.d4 c5 is covered under: Nimzo and Benonis / Weird Benonis

A thread from there which is relevant to the moves being discussed:
Weird Benonis | 1.d4 c5? http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1258982157
  
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Re: What to play against the benoni?
Reply #18 - 08/30/18 at 13:15:51
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Stigma wrote on 08/30/18 at 08:37:43:
OK, I was trying to be subtle, but that didn't work.

What I really meant to say, MNb, was that Gambit should be able to freely discuss chess openings in whatever style he wants on a chess forum without someone drawing ironic connections to the 3rd Reich.

For all you know he or his family could have personal experience with antisemitism or persecution. And in fact a google search confirms at least the former. So it's tasteless to try to pin him down to aspects of Diemer's writing style that can be associated with nazism. There are plenty of enthusiastic attackers who are happy to use similarly dramatic or biased language, but strictly about the chess fight. Most people manage this distinction just fine even though Diemer didn't.


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That's what I meant with "no irony" in my post, exactly that. This is chess. If we stay with chess we can discuss everything freely.

Take chess as an art. If you don't divide the art and the artist you have to forget many.
  

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Re: What to play against the benoni?
Reply #17 - 08/30/18 at 08:37:43
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OK, I was trying to be subtle, but that didn't work.

What I really meant to say, MNb, was that Gambit should be able to freely discuss chess openings in whatever style he wants on a chess forum without someone drawing ironic connections to the 3rd Reich.

For all you know he or his family could have personal experience with antisemitism or persecution. And in fact a google search confirms at least the former. So it's tasteless to try to pin him down to aspects of Diemer's writing style that can be associated with nazism. There are plenty of enthusiastic attackers who are happy to use similarly dramatic or biased language, but strictly about the chess fight. Most people manage this distinction just fine even though Diemer didn't.
  

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Re: What to play against the benoni?
Reply #16 - 08/30/18 at 07:30:59
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Jupp53 wrote on 08/29/18 at 22:18:06:
Donner described him politely.

Yes, but Donner's irony won't escape any Dutch chess player. Donner's polite tone is even necessary to make the irony work.

Stigma wrote on 08/30/18 at 00:22:01:
but not for the other, more deplorable aspects of his life and career.

I'm not so sure. That's why I linked to Donner's article.

"Für denjenigen, der ins Absolute schaut, hat der Krieg nur dann einen Sinn, wenn er als Vernichtungskrieg geführt wird."
"For those who look into the absolute, war is only meaningful as a total war, aiming at destruction."
Pretty tasteless, especially in 1956, even for an article about chess. I also suspect that the typical excessive usage of exclamation marks is correleated. But that's just me being incapable of shaking off 20st Century history.
Disclaimer: I've played the BDG and especially the Ryder Gambit myself a few times. I just dislike the mindset connected to the idea that such openings are "special". The more I became aware of the "BDG Gemeinde" (which fortunately seems to be defunct) the worse the taste in my mouth got.
The exclamation mark after 3.b4 is a symptom of such a mindset, though I'm far from sure if Gambit Zilbermints realizes it.

And now I'm done as I've said all I had to say.
  

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Re: What to play against the benoni?
Reply #15 - 08/30/18 at 00:22:01
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Jupp53 wrote on 08/29/18 at 22:18:06:
MNb wrote on 08/29/18 at 07:25:08:
For the uninitiated: Zilbermints is promoting himself in the previous comment. In his language the exclamation mark doesn't mean that the move is objecitvely good, only that he likes it very much. It's part of the Emil Joseph Diemer Method.

http://www.belkaplan.de/chess/bdg/diemer/donner_prophet_von_muggensturm_en.html

I cannot resist the temptation of pointing out the irony of Gambit Zilbermints being an apostle of Diemer.


Thanks for the link. There's no irony of GambitZilbermints being an epigone of Diemer. Donner described him politely. He made many people critical to his (criminal) ideas in consequence of his behavior.

There is an irony here, but a very dark one. Perhaps it's best to leave it at this point. This is just a chess forum after all. Diemer may be relevant for his writings on chess openings, whatever one thinks of them, but not for the other, more deplorable aspects of his life and career.
  

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Re: What to play against the benoni?
Reply #14 - 08/29/18 at 22:18:06
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MNb wrote on 08/29/18 at 07:25:08:
For the uninitiated: Zilbermints is promoting himself in the previous comment. In his language the exclamation mark doesn't mean that the move is objecitvely good, only that he likes it very much. It's part of the Emil Joseph Diemer Method.

http://www.belkaplan.de/chess/bdg/diemer/donner_prophet_von_muggensturm_en.html

I cannot resist the temptation of pointing out the irony of Gambit Zilbermints being an apostle of Diemer.


Thanks for the link. There's no irony of GambitZilbermints being an epigone of Diemer. Donner described him politely. He made many people critical to his (criminal) ideas in consequence of his behavior.
  

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Re: What to play against the benoni?
Reply #13 - 08/29/18 at 16:58:49
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Re: What to play against the benoni?
Reply #12 - 08/29/18 at 07:25:08
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For the uninitiated: Zilbermints is promoting himself in the previous comment. In his language the exclamation mark doesn't mean that the move is objecitvely good, only that he likes it very much. It's part of the Emil Joseph Diemer Method.

http://www.belkaplan.de/chess/bdg/diemer/donner_prophet_von_muggensturm_en.html

I cannot resist the temptation of pointing out the irony of Gambit Zilbermints being an apostle of Diemer.
  

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Re: What to play against the benoni?
Reply #11 - 08/29/18 at 06:50:06
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Try 1 d4 c5 2 Nf3 cxd4 3 b4!, the Zilbermints Benoni. Use Internet to find articles written by Zilbermints himself on this opening. Takes your opponent out of book!!
  
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Re: What to play against the benoni?
Reply #10 - 07/11/18 at 21:45:22
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That would be it, yeah!
  
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Re: What to play against the benoni?
Reply #9 - 07/11/18 at 13:26:20
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mn wrote on 07/08/18 at 09:48:48:
2 dc5!? is far from the main line but has been tried by some very strong players over the years. I vaguely recall this being recommended somewhere but I cannot remember where.


I believe Jan Gustafsson gave 2.dxc5 in one of his videos or shows on chess24 as a decent alternative to 2.d5, which should still be the most principled and best move.
  
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Re: What to play against the benoni?
Reply #8 - 07/11/18 at 13:20:42
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Following up with c2-c4 seems strange to me in these lines. I guess it can cut down on the number of lines you need to learn, but Black has played a dodgy line and is being rewarded by a possible transposition back into a respectable opening.

After 1.d4 c5 2.d5 e5 3.e4 and Nb1-c3, it's quite hard for Black to get counterplay. e.g. 3...d6 4.Nc3 Be7 5.Nf3 Bg4 6.h3 Bxf3 7.Qxf3 Bg5 8.Bxg5 Qxg5 9.Nb5! Qd8 10.Qg4 Kf8 11.Nxd6. Most of my opponents play something like 5...Nf6 and simply have a poor position. White plays Be2 and 0-0 with Nf3-d2-c4 being an obvious follow-up in most cases. Of course a2-a4 is thrown in at the right moment i.e. after ...a7-a6 or ...Nb8-d7.
  

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Re: What to play against the benoni?
Reply #7 - 07/10/18 at 17:55:20
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True - then g3/Bg2/Nge2 is a relatively easy-to-play set-up against the Czech Benoni, IIRC.
  
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